Basic network query

[Paddy]

btw, that looks just like my hub!

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i'm off to the pub now
post in the morning (about 12 hours for you yankees!)

[Greebe]

Patrick, your responce to me wasn't liked at all.

Jordene if you weren't so freaking clueless and knew WTF you're talking about in the first place I wouldn't have a problem. So Bite Me! (and watch it, you're digging that hole even deeper)

[Greebe]

And another thing... I WAS REFERING TO SOMONE IN GERMANY WHOM YOU DO NOT KNOW and not DIl! Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

[Jorden]

First part of a probalble patch:

Back to basics. NAT32 (a NetBeui program) won't work without a person sitting next to you who tells you how to do everything, and why do you want to use such a program when you've got TCP/IP connections? Especially in Win2k.

Okay Pat, here we go through all of the above again... Just reset your PC and the client to the standard settings, meaning you set the TCP/IP stats for both the server and the client to Automatic wherever you can.

For the server: Get the right DNS numbers from your ISP for your 56k modem, and set them in the window under your DUN (to your ISP): Start -> Control Settings -> DUN -> rightclick the ISP of your choice, choose properties, check that under the Networking Tab the Type of DUN Server is PPP etc., Advanced options is something of your ISP (check there), and that only TCP/IP is checked. Goto Security first, check if you've set the username and password right, and NO DOMAIN !!!, Advanced security options should all be unchecked. Scripting tab: Only Start terminal screen minimized should be checked. Multilink Tab: Well, since you use a cable modem, you should add the 56k modem as additional device... Is it installed there on the server?

If all is right as you think it should be, go back to the Networking tab, then onto TCP/IP Settings: here select the radio button Server assigned IP address, Specify name server address by giving in the 2 number-sequences for primary and secondary DNS, and leave the rest blank (the WINS).
Check with ISP for the IP header compression and use default gateway on remote network.
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The above above I made inbetween dealing with my boss and going out for groceries. Maybe the next part could come inbetween making late dinner and chatting with a couple of people. Or just tomorrow, as I didn't want to look into it any further when Pat went offline. And I've only been trying to solve such things for the past 10 hours for other people on the Sony network
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Mike: I don't have a clue what you mean. Please elaborate !
Inbetween things just think Netbeui is out, TCP/IP is in

Jord.

[Greebe]

Well before you realise what you just said and how many errors are in it I copied it. Go ahead and edit, I have the original.

[Jorden]

With 2 static IP addresses on the network, even through a hub, there's no need to set the DHCP server. There's no range. There's no need to set the DNS server on the server either, for you don't have an address range for that either.
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Not many errors, Mike. There might be some, but I'm not going to fight with you about them, for that won't help Pat that much. And he is asking us for help, not for a fight between the two of us. If you think you know better, tell us, and don't hold back

I'm telling it as I learned through the last month's course I had, with books and registers to look up in. Sorry Pat, I don't have Win2k running yet, neither Pro or Server, but I took all of the above from my documentation, being MicroSoft original stuff, and yes, you can bend the rules with that

But Mike: Since I haven't seen you say anything more usefull in here than telling Pat to use NAT32, and after he tried it, that he didn't read the documentation too good, I don't think he's qualified to use NAT, do you? Do you think he knows his Netbeui from his WINS, from his IPs, from his TCP/IPs, from his DNS?

I don't even go as far as saying I know as much as you, but I can say I know something about networks about now. Posted at Sony Europe, working at the helpdesk, I think I can say that I know a little. Ran the Win2k MCSE course for the past month, and I need to get 4 courses and 3 electives in the next 6 months. Working and studying... You might want to keep your fingers crossed I don't get any of the courses/electives, for then you can really beat me back

Jord.

[Greebe]

First off, where the H*** did NetBUEI enter into this? Secondly "NAT32 (a NetBuei program)" what an oxymoron! NAT's are only based on TCP/IP and NetBUEI has nothing to do with it what so ever!!!

Proof of your cluelessness.

NetBUEI is a protocol entirely unto it's own. It is not compatable with TCP/IP. Both can work for different purposes at the same time. They cannot communicate though one to the other. In my old setup I used both only because I wanted to ensure that outsiders could not access my HD's only. If you had paid attention to what I said then you would have realised that. But NO you do as you please, happy go lucky, totally clueless of the details.

And they say "Ignorance is bliss", Damn Jord your their poster child!

Who asked you to monitor my conversations here or anywhere else for that matter? Why would you even want to?! Huh?!

I was communicating through ICQ with him and several others (actually 5 at a time) all the while posting on three different forums (yes I multitask well). I had three people on ICQ whom do Win2K networking for a living and are certified.

That was until you helpful hand got involved. So do me a favor and get lost if I'm involved or I'll have to excersize those 4 muscles and *itch slap you from afar!

Got it?! Errr

Patrick, sorry about this mess. Hope your feeling better (and stop drinking that nasty stuff

[dZeus]

ok, I will explain it one more time...

Listen, I have a backend network here right now, and it works (how else could I post here?)

If you want to make it work within 5 minutes, do what I tell you, otherwise, do what you please...


ok, here it goes:
You've got one computer connected to the internet (by whatever connection, either modem, cable, dsl, lan, whatever). That PC will have to use a static or dynamic IP for the connection.
The same PC will also have another IP for the network interface to which you other pcs are connected through the hub. This IP will most likely be in one of the private IP ranges, like 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 or whatever. Write down this IP address.
Now, enable Internet connection sharing on this same pc. Make sure internet itself works on this pc, so that if something doesn't work later on, it is not because the settings were wrong in the first place on this pc.

Got to the other pcs. Enter another IP in the same range, so that each pc has it's on unique IP. These IPs can be 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 if the main pc (with the onternet connection) has got the 192.168.1.1 ip, and 192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.3 if the main pc has got IP 192.168.0.1
You don't specifically have to use the IPs I gave here as an example, but you _DO_ have to make sure the first 3 parts of the IP are the same as on the main pc.

On the other PCs, fill in the gateway setting in the TCP/IP properties the IP used by the main pc network interface connected to you backend network (i.e. 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 in the above examples).

For DNS, enter exactly the same settings as on your main pc (i.e. the DNS settings used by you internet provider). These settings should be _exactly_ the same.


No go and try this...

[SteveC]

But ICS doesn't need you do set IP addresses! It does it all for you. Patrick - it's in add/remove programs for win9x. And in Win2k, it's the last tab of the dial up connection.

(Or you could always use NT Server and NAT32 like I do - but that's getting a bit nasty!)

And Hey! That <FONT SIZE=+3>IS</FONT> how the internet looks! I have special 'insider info' on it! And don't knock my drawings - they are of upmost class!



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Cheers,
Steve

"Life is what we make of it, yet most of us just fake"

[Brian R.]

You draw better than I do...

[Jorden]

What SteveC says is right You just need to get back at the basic Win2k installation you were at before all of the helpful advice above

And errm Mike... Forget me, will ya? I had a complete answer ready for you (Which I first wanted to post in TSB, but thought otherwise of it. Copy it as well and do whatever you want with it.) , which again wouldn't help Pat anyhow. So if you want to check it, check it.

If Not, forget about me, will ya?

Jord.


[This message has been edited by Jorden (edited 07 October 2000).]

[dZeus]

I wanted to add this earlier, but couldn"t because the MURC forum server was down?

well here it is after all:

maybe the DHCP stuff works too, but that way you won't understand the whole way it works, because it fills in the right settings for you!

If you want to know what settings to use in a situation where you can't use DHCP, use my post

[Jorden]

Frank, you don't need a DHCP, for a 2 PC network: You are the server, and the server is outside the range of the addresses on the DHCP. Which makes the range one IP address on the server (one client)... What's the use of the DHCP then?

[Paddy]

Thank you all ever so much for your many speedy replies!

Sorry if I caused any conflicts!

In the end it was <font size=4>SteveC</font> whose technical expertise, and most of all patience helped me through!

Now I have just one more question.....

But everyone is tired (especially me) so I'll save it for another time!

Night-night & thanks!

Patrick



[This message has been edited by Paddy [MU] (edited 07 October 2000).]

[SteveC]

you still can have a dhcp server on one machine, and then the 2nd machine will get all its settings (gateway, ip etc) from the server. If you're really lazy, this works!

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Cheers,
Steve

"Life is what we make of it, yet most of us just fake"