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**nehalmistry** · 20 October 2001, 19:28

aghhh,

it's kinda hidden, i looked everywhere on that site i couldnt find it...

thx haig, ill check it out...

**Rags** · 20 October 2001, 20:12

nehalmistry,

Please dont get offended. I just wasn't looking for an argument, I was just trying to clarify something, that's all.

Rags

**Greebe** · 20 October 2001, 20:16

Thx Haig

**nehalmistry** · 20 October 2001, 20:30

Rags,

yeh, sorry

,maybe I wasn't as 'polite' as I could be, maybe I should have been more patient ... but i should clarify to you I wasn't looking for an argument either, i was just looking for answers, though that may not have been what you (or Wombat) may have interpreted.

This is a reason why people need to be twice as careful when posting messages as opposed to talking to people in real life...

**Rags** · 20 October 2001, 20:33

Originally posted by nehalmistry
Rags,

yeh, sorry ,maybe I wasn't as 'polite' as I could be, maybe I should have been more patient ... but i should clarify to you I wasn't looking for an argument either, i was just looking for answers, though that may not have been what you (or Wombat) may have interpreted.

This is a reason why people need to be twice as careful when posting messages as opposed to talking to people in real life...

Nah, post what you feel like, sort it out later

People shouldn't be too sensitive to posts, I guess.

Rags

**Wombat** · 20 October 2001, 20:43

Yeah, mea culpa.

**nehalmistry** · 20 October 2001, 20:59

Awww, let's all have a [MU]-Family-Hug

anyway, back to the issue at hand.. i am currently using win95b (didn't like some things in winME) but the last time i used ME i found that some programs made for the AWE (aka EMU8000) didn't work with WDM drivers ie, Aweamp winamp plugin (google it for website) it somehow can't find the emu8000 chip....

are the WDM drivers supposed to be fully compatible with low-level drivers such as the awe 32 .... because apparently it isnt (could also be bug with aweamp i will check with developer)

also, if i can't do that, is it possible to use WDM drivers for the PCM/Wave channel but regular drivers for the awe32 ? that would also work.....

i'm not too big of a fan of WDM since Aweamp already allows me to play music through the midi channel (basically it loads the data as a soundfont and then plays it) which leaves the PCM/Wave channel free! but still something i would like to know!

**Wombat** · 20 October 2001, 21:48

nehal,
What kind of computer are you running? If it's a newer system, you should at least be running 98

**nehalmistry** · 20 October 2001, 21:58

Win98 i dont use cos its slow, booting up, shutting down, running programs, opening programs.... etc.... it fustrates me....

WinME is really fast, you can say its roughly the same speed in everything as 95B(except for 3d gaming, in which ME rules)
BUT, the problem is microsoft just hides everything, ie i cant even get into DOS mode, you can't even edit config.sys/autoexec.bat (if you do and ME detects something 'bad' in those files, it will reset both of them) programs like msconfig aren't there.... and thats just the starting but u get the point

WinNT cant run many games, not even d3d compatible...

Win2K is great, but it doesnt work with games that are made for 9x (if there is a workaround for this, plz tell me)

that leaves me with 95B, which i find perfect, and with ie401 + ie55 it has quicklaunch, so u cant even tell its not ME!

Do you have any suggestions? yes, i know, i am very picky

Wombat: look at my signature for specs

**Rags** · 20 October 2001, 22:10

Windows98 is faster than 95b when considering the fact that many drivers and apps take advantage of SSE optimizations. Win98 boots up just as fast as 95 for me (about 1 sec longer).

Most all win9x games work in win2k, so I don't know what your issue is there, but I do believe you are misguided on you reluctance to move to win98.

WinMe is not faster than any OS anywhere.

Rags

**nehalmistry** · 20 October 2001, 22:28

hmmm, the last i used 98 it was just too slow.... BTW, i compared the speeds after installing everything, ie apps, drivers, updates, etc... i mean 95B/ME is about 40 seconds from poweron...

while win98se is more than a minute.... but maybe i am doing something wrong.... if you say it's only a sec, or even a couple of secs, it would be worth the upgrade..... (if i can get it going at that speed off course)

win2k doesnt work with nba live 99 for example, nor with need for speed 3... i get error messages something like operating system not compatible.... i cant remember message fully... was a while ago... should it work? is 2k compatible with 9x games?

i found ME suprisingly faster than i would have though emphasis on suprisingly (seeing how newer MS os's are usually slower, w/same hardware)...

**Rags** · 20 October 2001, 22:42

Originally posted by nehalmistry
hmmm, the last i used 98 it was just too slow.... BTW, i compared the speeds after installing everything, ie apps, drivers, updates, etc... i mean 95B/ME is about 40 seconds from poweron...

while win98se is more than a minute.... but maybe i am doing something wrong.... if you say it's only a sec, or even a couple of secs, it would be worth the upgrade..... (if i can get it going at that speed off course)

Like I said, when setup, it's about a second longer for me. Even if is 1 minute plus, who cares? Booting up isn't a race, getting the work done on the OS is where it's at. With all the time you have wasted trying to fix your problem, a longer bootup surely would have been exceeded by now.

win2k doesnt work with nba live 99 for example

What problems are you having with it under win2k? You ever hear of apcompat?

, nor with need for speed 3... i get error messages something like operating system not compatible.... i cant remember message fully... was a while ago... should it work? is 2k compatible with 9x games?

There is a patch available to allow you to install NFS3, then it works fine. MOST all games work with win2k, even ones for win9x. The common offenders of not working is the EA games, but there are workarounds for 99.9 percent of them.

i found ME suprisingly faster than i would have though emphasis on suprisingly (seeing how newer MS os's are usually slower, w/same hardware)...

Yeah, on bootup, but who gives a shit about bootup times? I care about getting work done.

Rags

**nehalmistry** · 21 October 2001, 00:18

what's wrong with Windows95B, i mean yes it's old, but does that mean it's time for a change... not really.... i mean it works with all hardware, all software... you need an update here and there... but i have them all neatly organized, so whenever i need to reinstall windows, everything is there......

To tell you the truth, i don't see any advantage of using 98/ME over 95B...

maybe games run faster... but the only 3d game i play is Half-Life, which runs fairly fast on my system...... and 95 is stable...

thats what i think...

**dZeus** · 21 October 2001, 03:53

I don't see any advantage in running Win95/98/98SE/ME over Win2k.... well, that is unless you've got less than 128MB RAM, but since RAM prices are down as far as they are today, it wouldn't matter much anyway (unless you use SIMMs

). Whenever a program goes down, the chance that it takes down the whole OS is just so much smaller in Win2k. And the large memory footprint can be taken care of by turning off all the services you don't need.

As Rags mentioned, almost all games can be played in win2k. Check www.ntcompatible.com for tips and tricks if games won't work out of the box on Win2k.

Of course you could also run Windows XP, which is said to have superior Win95-kernel application compatibility, but imho it's the Windows ME version of the Win2k kernel. I.E. WinME - Win98 = Loads of CRAP. WinXP - Win2k = twice as many loads of crap!!
In WinXP there's this POS WMP8, silly skinning that makes the whole system much less responsive, etc. etc. etc. etc.

**omegaRED** · 21 October 2001, 05:40

I agree with dZeus. in about 6 months of running Win2K (had WinME before) i`ve had 4 (yes four) cases when i had to do a hard reset. When i was running WinMe (and Win98se ) it happened ... oh lets say 4-5 times a week.

Memory management is much better in Win2k, and i`ve found only a small number of games that wouldnt work with Win2k "out of the box", and even some of those can be fixed to work ... Grim Fandango, MechWarrior3, Tomb Raider 3 ... thats about it (i think) ... and there is a workaround for Grim Fandango (i didnt bother trying it, but according to some @ www.ntcompatible.com it works ) ...

Not to mention that PS6 IMO is about 20-30% faster on Win2K ...

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