Engineered meat....

[Kurt]

Is cannibalism considered? (not j/k)

[Tjalfe]

Is cannibalism considered? (not j/k)

if not, better be sure not to bite your tongue

[Brian Ellis]

Again, I don't mean to offend but I know what I'm about to say is largely criticised on the Internet by many Jews.

In England, there is a spread made from yeast and vegetables called Marmite. It is very tasty and nutritious when used moderately. I think the makers in Burton-on-Trent wanted to export it to Israel but needed to meet the Israeli Standards Institute for Kosher food or somesuch. Anyway, a party of Rabbis came over to examine the premises, ingredients and processes. They refused to grant it Kosher status. Why? Because the next-door factory makes Bovril (different company but from the same group, physically separate), a kind of beef flavouring/drink which could never be considered as Kosher. The real sin? Both factories used steam heating pipes for their processes and they both used steam from the same boiler, therefore the steam is non-Kosher, even though it never comes in contact with food. I'm pleased to say that the Chief Rabbi in London overturned the decision and declared Marmite to be Kosher for Jews living in the UK.

Again, I don't wish to denigrate the Jewish faith but this is an illustration of an aptitude that some Jews have of splitting hairs longitudinally into seven and which most Gentiles have never been able to understand and which tend to cause them to be set apart from the common Gentile herd. This is a tradition going back centuries with learned rabbis spending years discussing matters of little practical consequence, but which have become of extreme importance to the Orthodox. Perhaps Schmo would like to elaborate on why the ultra-Orthodox boys have ringlets hanging down?

Again, I'm not Jew-bashing but simply stating what the outside world observes and mostly does not understand. The first evening I spent in Israel, I went down to the hotel restaurant, quite prepared to comply with the Kosher regulations. The Maitre d' asked me whether I wanted to be seated in the meat or dairy section and I replied meat. I had a perfectly acceptable, presumably Kosher, steak. I then asked for a coffee. The waiter asked me whether I would like cream with it. I expressed surprise and he explained that they had a Kosher vegetable cream for the meat section!

[Kurt]

As my friends from Jerusalem would put it: if you want a good steak and all, go eat at the arabs'

[Gurm]

*sigh*

First off, the orthodox are... extreme. Very.

Secondly, you have to understand that a decision was made LONG ago to separate meat and milk. Many MANY conservative and reform Jews have given up the distinction. The original exhortation was to not "boil a calf in its mother's milk". But frankly, who DOES that? So you can't have beef stroganof?

But it's a "building blocks" thing. Once you've accepted that you MUST separate meat and milk, it builds from there.

Soon you have a whole chain of bizarre stuff built up.

Now, sealed steam pipes are unlikely to be a root cause. I'm betting pretty heavily that that was ONE issue. And as you said, it was overturned by the UK's council. I bet anything that the USA's council would have no problem with it, either.

The black hats are freaky freaky people. They're no freakier, though, than some of the freakier subsets of Catholicism or Christianity.

Let's ask a couple questions.

Why don't baptists go to church wearing blue jeans?

Why don't methodists dance or whistle?

Why don't Catholics (insert freaky Catholic thing here)?

The problem is that Jewish traditions tend to be about overt aspects of life - food, clothing, appearance, etc.

[GNEP]

Why don't Catholics (insert freaky Catholic thing here)?

Oh catholics do. Everything (there was this girl once.... ). It's just that they feel really really guilty about it afterwards.

[Gurm]

Oh catholics do. Everything (there was this girl once.... ). It's just that they feel really really guilty about it afterwards.

Exactly. With the exception of die-hard orthodox, just about every Jew has broken Kosher a few times. *shrug* Even the ones that maintain kosher homes. Difference is they don't feel especially guilty about it afterwards, don't think they're a bad person or going to hell.

I'd rather have people be freaky-conscious about what food they eat (and let's be honest, they're getting BETTER food that way, now aren't they?) than be all convinced that they'll go to hell if they have lustful thoughts, or HEAVEN FOR-FVCKING-BID touch themselves! *gasp*

[Nowhere]

But somehow I couldn't personally live to that tradicion of "mine" (yep, according to one of traditional definitions I'm Jew . But also German and Pole (mostly from nobles at that). Anyone can beat that? (I'm not thinking "geographic diversity", I'm thinking "how the heck your ancestors didn't kill each other instead of..." )

[cjolley]

This quote from you really suprises me.

...won't be quite as satisfying as a prime piece of Angus

I get piles of email spam about "Engineered meat" every day.
It's not how I would have predicted you felt about it...

[TnT]

http://www.livescience.com/technolog..._lab_meat.html

Something tells me this won't be quite as satisfying as a prime piece of Angus

Dr. Mordrid

I'd be down. I've known about the fish one for a while now. I have given up eating beef, and even if this were available I don't know if I'd go back.

[Technoid]

On Kosher: Once saw a snippet of "CBS:60 minutes" where they discussed kosher brands, for example the Kosher toiletpaper

On Topic: If it tastes good I can eat it
PETA will probably go apeshit over it
On the other hand: PETA goes Apeshit over everything

[schmosef]

60 minutes has no credibility anymore.

Kosher is for eating.

Toilet paper is for the opposite process.

When I was in Israel in 2000, some of the hotels I stayed in had pre-ripped toilet paper for use on Shabbat.

[schmosef]

I guess for this to be Halal they'd have to swivel the incubator? to face Mecca before unplugging it?

[Nowhere]

But wouldn't cleaning your, uhmm...back would be too much to do, even if it's pre-ripped?



(yeah, yeah; I don't know, but guess that higiene doesn't qualify)

[schmosef]

:shakes head: