Saudi Arabia - Denmark, a love story?

[TransformX]

obviously Kv thought he was being funny so i decided to be funny myself. He's got so much hatred and venom in him, i thought it would be interesting to turn the tables around.. even if i have to stoop to his level to do it.

Didn't know KvH was Jewish..

as for how this relates to the thread; we are talking about free speech and the right to make fun of another religion no?

or are we talking about how moronic muslims are? Please clarify.

We are talking about the Muslim abuse of free speach for propagating hatered while not allowing the truth about them to be publicly said. How about that?

And back on topic, first the riots in Paris, now these demonstrations. I suppose that if Europe can't read those blunt 'hints', they might as well deserve what is coming their way.

[Dr Mordrid]

It's already been their way; Matrid, London, the assasination of Theo Van Gogh etc. etc.

Guess some Euros take more than a few hints that in this case appeasement kills.

The next question is how serious will they be in the UNSC with Iran? Will it take one of their warheads, possibly launched from an AQ submarine, landing in the middle of Europe to "get the point"? Reports on the security sites have long warned that AQ has been looking for a diesel electric sub on the black market.

Don't think they'll be doing any marlin fishing with it....do you?

Dr. Mordrid

[DukeP]

The really, really tough problem of this is: How do we actually respond to the attacks on our basic values, without spoiling them during the defense?

I have no clear ideas...

~~DukeP~~

[KvHagedorn]

We used to have a pretty good system.. the women would carry on what was good while the men went out and fought the wars.

Just kick em out while you still can.. and avoid the war.

[KvHagedorn]

Interesting article..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,564960,00.html

[TransformX]

Well, seems like European Muslims decided to 'avenge' their honor by retaliating against.. the jews.. (just like our friend LLC, seems muslims are all the same afterall..)
Pictures of Anna Frank with Hitler etc.

http://www.arabeuropean.org/

Site seems down due to HEAVY traffic.

After the lectures that Arabs and Muslims received from Europeans on Freedom of Speech and on Tolerance. And after that many European newspapers republished the Danish cartoons on the Prophet Mohammed. AEL decided to enter the cartoon business and to use our right to artistic expression.

Just like the newspapers in Europe claim that they only want to defend the freedom of speech and do not desire to stigmatise Muslims,we also do stress that our cartoons are not meant as an offence to anybody and ought not to be taken as a statement against any group, community or historical fact.

If it is the time to break Taboos and cross all the red lines, we certainly do not want to stay behind.

[TransformX]

Interesting link:

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/367

[Technoid]

So what should we europeans do then?
Round up every muslim and deport or put them concentration camps?
Forbid anyone to believe in Islam?

[schmosef]

Well, seems like European Muslims decided to 'avenge' their honor by retaliating against.. the jews.. (just like our friend LLC, seems muslims are all the same afterall..)
Pictures of Anna Frank with Hitler etc.

http://www.arabeuropean.org/

Site seems down due to HEAVY traffic.

Turnabout is fair play.

Let them dig their own graves with those cartoons.

Hopefully, they'll be taught the difference between satire and hate speech, which isn't protected.

If they can be taught that the worst (and best) thing they are allowed to do when they disagree with someone is engage them in a debate, I'm all for that.

[schmosef]

So what should we europeans do then?
Round up every muslim and deport or put them concentration camps?
Forbid anyone to believe in Islam?

Any society, not just european, should deport immigrants and refugees who are committed to breaking the laws of their host nation.

Further, those same societies should be investing more in social programs that assist in the absorption of new immigrants and teaches them about the values of their host country.

[TransformX]

So what should we europeans do then?
Round up every muslim and deport or put them concentration camps?
Forbid anyone to believe in Islam?

Use the pictures, arrest each and every muslim that propagates terrorism and DEPORT him/her to a Muslim country that shares their point of view. Their family will be free to join them.
Examples: Syria and Lebanon, in both countries the Danish embassy was BURNED.

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Senior Islamic Cleric wants to prevent Muslim riots in Oz...

by making threats!

Don't reprint cartoons: Sheik

A senior Islamic cleric has called on Australia’s media not to publish the cartoons which have sparked riots across the Muslim world.

Sheik Fehmi El-Imam, the general secretary of the Board of Imams of Victoria, warned reprinting the cartoons here could “disturb people who can do things that we don’t want them to do”.

“In some parts of the world there is rioting against the Danish and the Dutch, we don’t want that in Australia,” the sheik said today.

“Unfortunately, New Zealand has (published the cartoons) ... I’m trying to avoid, to put far away, any possibility of disturbing the peace in Australia.”

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Mark Steyn Sun-times Columnist

'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences

I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!'' Or torching the Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.

Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an economy they'd have.

Meanwhile, back in Copenhagen, the Danes are a little bewildered to find that this time it's plucky little Denmark who's caught the eye of the nutters. Last year, a newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, whose physical representation in art is forbidden by Islam. The cartoons aren't particularly good and they were intended to be provocative. But they had a serious point. Before coming to that, we should note that in the Western world "artists" "provoke" with the same numbing regularity as young Muslim men light up other countries' flags. When Tony-winning author Terence McNally writes a Broadway play in which Jesus has gay sex with Judas, the New York Times and Co. rush to garland him with praise for how "brave" and "challenging" he is. The rule for "brave" "transgressive" "artists" is a simple one: If you're going to be provocative, it's best to do it with people who can't be provoked.

Thus, NBC is celebrating Easter this year with a special edition of the gay sitcom "Will & Grace," in which a Christian conservative cooking-show host, played by the popular singing slattern Britney Spears, offers seasonal recipes -- "Cruci-fixin's." On the other hand, the same network, in its coverage of the global riots over the Danish cartoons, has declined to show any of the offending artwork out of "respect" for the Muslim faith.

Which means out of respect for their ability to locate the executive vice president's home in the suburbs and firebomb his garage.

Jyllands-Posten wasn't being offensive for the sake of it. They had a serious point -- or, at any rate, a more serious one than Britney Spears or Terence McNally. The cartoons accompanied a piece about the dangers of "self-censorship" -- i.e., a climate in which there's no explicit law forbidding you from addressing the more, er, lively aspects of Islam but nonetheless everyone feels it's better not to.

That's the question the Danish newspaper was testing: the weakness of free societies in the face of intimidation by militant Islam.

One day, years from now, as archaeologists sift through the ruins of an ancient civilization for clues to its downfall, they'll marvel at how easy it all was. You don't need to fly jets into skyscrapers and kill thousands of people. As a matter of fact, that's a bad strategy, because even the wimpiest state will feel obliged to respond. But if you frame the issue in terms of multicultural "sensitivity," the wimp state will bend over backward to give you everything you want -- including, eventually, the keys to those skyscrapers. Thus, Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, hailed the "sensitivity" of Fleet Street in not reprinting the offending cartoons.

No doubt he's similarly impressed by the "sensitivity" of Anne Owers, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons, for prohibiting the flying of the English national flag in English prisons on the grounds that it shows the cross of St. George, which was used by the Crusaders and thus is offensive to Muslims. And no doubt he's impressed by the "sensitivity" of Burger King, which withdrew its ice cream cones from its British menus because Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe complained that the creamy swirl shown on the lid looked like the word "Allah" in Arabic script. I don't know which sura in the Koran says don't forget, folks, it's not just physical representations of God or the Prophet but also chocolate ice cream squiggly representations of the name, but ixnay on both just to be "sensitive."

And doubtless the British foreign secretary also appreciates the "sensitivity" of the owner of France-Soir, who fired his editor for republishing the Danish cartoons. And the "sensitivity" of the Dutch film director Albert Ter Heerdt, who canceled the sequel to his hit multicultural comedy ''Shouf Shouf Habibi!'' on the grounds that "I don't want a knife in my chest" -- which is what happened to the last Dutch film director to make a movie about Islam: Theo van Gogh, on whose ''right to dissent'' all those Hollywood blowhards are strangely silent. Perhaps they're just being "sensitive,'' too.

And perhaps the British foreign secretary also admires the "sensitivity" of those Dutch public figures who once spoke out against the intimidatory aspects of Islam and have now opted for diplomatic silence and life under 24-hour armed guard. And maybe he even admires the "sensitivity" of the increasing numbers of Dutch people who dislike the pervasive fear and tension in certain parts of the Netherlands and so have emigrated to Canada and New Zealand.

Very few societies are genuinely multicultural. Most are bicultural: On the one hand, there are folks who are black, white, gay, straight, pre-op transsexual, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, worshippers of global-warming doom-mongers, and they rub along as best they can. And on the other hand are folks who do not accept the give-and-take, the rough-and-tumble of a "diverse" "tolerant" society, and, when one gently raises the matter of their intolerance, they threaten to kill you, which makes the question somewhat moot.

One day the British foreign secretary will wake up and discover that, in practice, there's very little difference between living under Exquisitely Refined Multicultural Sensitivity and Sharia. As a famously sensitive Dane once put it, "To be or not to be, that is the question."

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And they'll probably kill us...

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From LGF:

CNN: Craven Hypocrites

CNN has been accompanying every story about the cartoon jihad with the boilerplate message:

CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam.

But they apparently have no such “respect” for Christianity; they didn’t hesitate for a second to show this image of the virgin Mary made out of elephant dung and pictures of female genitalia: New York, Brooklyn museum settle funding dispute. (Hat tip: christheprofessor.)

Why don’t they just come clean and admit why they won’t show the Mohammed cartoons?

CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of fear of Islam.