Getting a new carry pistol

[Elie]

Hey doc when you say carry, do you mean on a daily basis, you just have it in the back or side of your hip all day?

Nice piece!!

[VJ]

FN F 2000 S?

NICE weapon!!

I like the S variant for the tactical rail. Very nice addition your govt. ordered.

And it is Belgian!

[Dr Mordrid]

Hey doc when you say carry, do you mean on a daily basis, you just have it in the back or side of your hip all day?

Nice piece!!

I carry everywhere except if I'm going to an exclusion zone: courthouse, school etc. Sometimes I carry a full size .45 SIG M1911 clone in an outside holster, most times the P239 mid-size in a shoulder or pants holster. The P250 will be for those times when my clothes wouldn't mostly cover the others.

Then again, if I'm in the woods the guns of choice are a S&W #29 .44 magnum or a .500 Magnum Magnum Research BFR (aka: big f'ing revolver), mainly because of bear, wild pigs and cougars. The cougars are few & far between, but we have tons of bear & an increasing number of big, tempermental hogs.

This promo video demos the P250's modularity & chameleon qualities. It really is pretty cool to see how well they designed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tiio1gUe3w

[VJ]

Pardon my ignorance; but if you go to a courthouse and you carry; do they have some reception desk where you can leave your piece for storage until you get back? (I can imagine a school would not have this)

[Dr Mordrid]

You take a combat shooting, safety and range qualification (minimum 200+ rounds worth) & a policy/procedures course when you get your carry permit. Not too different than what new police cadets take. Part of that is where to carry and where to lock it in the safe in your trunk.

These courses are taught either by cops, former/retired cops, the instructors (often NRA) who teach cops or other certified instructors. Even if you meet the generic criteria you have to pass the course to get a permit, and it's not all range and book work. If the instructor thinks you're a wing-ding or otherwise questionable you don't pass.

Bollox up after getting the permit, especially since exclusion zones have signs, and you could well get in trouble. At the least they'd take the gun during the investigation and you'd lose your permit for some period.

[Dr Mordrid]

iPhone for scale

I have full size handle/long slide .45 ACP and subcompact 9 mm short slide kits on order.

Using the shop demo kits,

I can swap subcompact slides/calibers in less than a minute.

I can change it from a subcompact .40 to a full size .45 in about 2:20.

[ALBPM]

Now I got the bugg...LOL!!

I'm going to go look at one of these P250s this weekend....

[cjolley]

Pardon my ignorance; but if you go to a courthouse and you carry; do they have some reception desk where you can leave your piece for storage until you get back? (I can imagine a school would not have this)

Ok, I work in a courthouse annex.
Here are the rules:
If the metal detector or xray machine finds a gun, knife, tool that could be used like shiv, or whatever, you can give it to the guard and NEVER GET IT BACK, or you can take it back to your car.

[KRSESQ]

Yeah, if you know your destination is a Federal building of any kind you leave the side-arm, Swiss Army Knife, even the cel phone in the car. But my tool box usually has some potentially lethal stuff in it (screwdrivers, wire strippers and cutters, piano wire, etc.) and it always passes.

Every time I've done work in a Federal office, I've seen novelty letter openers on the desk that could do a Hell of a lot more damage to a person than my S.A.K. They must have gotten those in before the restrictions went into effect.

Yet the State Capitol Building doesn't even have metal detectors at the entrances. Anyone can walk in carrying anything. Guess it will take just one a-hole to change that.

[cjolley]

There is a separate entrance for contractors here, somebody has to meet them to get them in with their tools.
And the rules don't apply to staff at all. We go through turnstiles using security badge/key cards.

[Dr Mordrid]

Michigan's exclusion zones (from the state site), and some liberalization is coming - especially for universities as the latest US Supreme Court decisions make the limits for resident students likely unconstitutional - and as to courts, some judges have indeed established "gun friendly" courthouses.

Also, legislation has also been introduced to eliminate the below zones, save for the courts, reconcile the Michigan laws vs. the Supreme Court decisions and formalize the recent opinion by the State Attorney General allowing Open Carry - no need to attempt concealment of the weapon or its holster. Most all jurisdictions have no problem with that last item given the AG being the head of the state legal system, but there are a few stragglers.

Pistol Free Areas

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises. (IOW - bars, not restaurants)

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons (many are now "gun friendly")

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more (FOX Theater no, most movie theaters & smaller stage venues OK)

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university (this is up for change)

A Casino

"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.

A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CCW permit holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The following penalties may also be imposed:

First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CCW permit suspended 6 months

Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CCW permit revoked

Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CCW permit revoked

Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."

[cjolley]

I'm pretty sure that you can't carry in this building unless you are law enforcement or DA staff. Not really any reason to, the place is crawling with armed county deputies.
Come to think of it, technically I'm a County Deputy. Guess that makes me part of the Posse

And, having lived in a set of large collage dorms for two years, I would say that anyone who thinks that allowing guns in them is a good idea needs their head examined.

[Dr Mordrid]

Whatever we think 2nd amendment rights have been affirmed for self protection - especially in your residence. A students dorm room is their residence, and parking areas are already excluded from the school zone - making the reasoning for dorm exclusion almost indefensible. Given recent decisions here, the first time it's tested in court it's likely gone anyhow.

[cjolley]

No problem, she can live with us while she goes to school.
No child of mine is going to live in a dorm full of drunk and/or stoned gun toters.

[cjolley]

Whatever we think 2nd amendment rights have been affirmed for self protection - especially in your residence. A students dorm room is their residence, and parking areas are already excluded from the school zone - making the reasoning for dorm exclusion almost indefensible. Given recent decisions here, the first time it's tested in court it's likely gone anyhow.

I wonder when people started having a right to live in the dorms?