marvel g200 and XP

[bionic1]

i have updated to xp and Im very sad
When I try to use netmeeting the pc crash (it worded just 2 times, and not properly)
I cant capture from Premier. the only way I can capture is by using the shareware Capture Studio Professional and then Premiere (boring)
I cant see TV. When I use TV VCR (for w2000) it say "no tv tuner detected".
TV VCR letme watch VCR from my sony camera but it cant capture video!
Im thinking about reinstall win98
Do you have any suggestion about all that?
Tnx guys!
Sebastian

spuppo@fibertel.com.ar

[Debbie]

Hi,

Take my advice stick to Win98 SE, it is by far
the best OS for G200s - G400s.

Regards,

Debbie

[Dr Mordrid]

Windows survival rule #1:

Never, EVER, "upgrade" to a new Microsoft OS until it's had at least one, and preferrably two, service packs released for it.

This is doubly true for those doing any amount of video editing since problems with it are usually the last things fixed before a new OS comes out

This procedure will massively reduce your Thorazine intake.

Dr. Mordrid

[This_Idiot]

Especially since Matrox have been saying for months that they won't support ANY O/S beyond W98 for the G200 & G400 Marvels!

It isn't a big secret

[pigseye]

Bummer

I was hoping that w2000 would eventually be supported.

pigseye

[pigseye]

OK Now I'm confused. When I go to the Matrox website they have win 2000 display drivers and vid tool for the Marvel G200.

But it looks like MJPEG is not supported in windows 2000.

Capture is only available in RGB (not YuY2).

Capture and editing is only available in 3rd party apps.

Does this mean the Matrox TV record button doesn't work in 2000?

Are there any downsides? Aren't many of the 3rd party apps better at capturing anyway?

Your help is appreciated.

Thanks,
pigseye

[Fred H]

When I installed Win XP everything went wrong. No network connection with the radio-LAN card.
PD 5.39 + VT2.04 Final: computer lock up (in the “safe” XP ) and no HW MJPEG
PD 5.39 + VT2.04 Leak: the same, lock ups.
Now I am back in a clean dual-boot Win2000 Pro, PD 5.39 + VT2.04 Leaked work like a dream. Captures HW-MJPEG but trouble in MSP6.0 Video Editor Source Window display with HW MJPEG, but ok with PICVideo. (The rendering is quite ok)

No more Win XP in my computers. Not yet.

Fred H

[Dr Mordrid]

IMHO the loss of HW MJPeg in Win2K etc. was no loss at all. PICVideo's MJPeg captured through the YUY2 mode gives better results anyhow due to it generating fewer recompression artifacts when you add an effect, title or graphic.

Dr. Mordrid

[pigseye]

Thanks guys.

A couple of questions for you.

FredH, What's the difference between the Final and Leak versions of PD 5.39 + VT2.04?

Dr. Mordid,
The Matrox site says that YUY2 mode is not available in W2000. Can you record through YuY2 with PICvideo in W2000?

Thanks Again,
Pigseye

[Brian Ellis]

Doc

I say a big AMEN to your first message, but not to the second. I use the native G-200 hardware MJPEG and have no problems with artifacting, but then I rarely use any transitions but the simplest, although I do use moving path titling (without any great problems in appearance, with care). Don't forget that many users simply do not have the resources to use any software compression, myself included, and therefore are obliged to use hardware compression. I agree that it would be nice to capture and work without any compression at all, but that is pie in the sky for all but the most bloated plutocrats, not for many living on reduced incomes. G-200/400 therefore offered a way round this problem but, under these circumstances, one has to live with their limitations and the main one is that one should stick with W98SE.

OTOH, if you insist on using ME, W2000 or XP (stands for eXasPeration ) or any other non-DOS based OS, then you MUST have the resources for software compression on capture. This means that you must have a modern hardware (and mine's only a couple of years old!) with a fast processor, much fast memory and much fast drive capacity. If you can afford this, then you can afford a more modern capture card which will work under non-DOS OSs.

The choice is therefore purely financial.

So, Doc, please remember that there are many users of this forum who simply cannot afford a P-IV/2000 with 512 Mb and a Raid-0 array with four 80 Mb disks, along with expensive capture cards.

No hard feelings, though.

[Fred H]

pigseye:
I’m not exactly sure, but the 2.04 Leaked do capture HW MJPEG, the Final doesn’t.
Let the experts talk
Brian:
Sure, my old AMD 400 did not work fast with PICVideo. But the new one is more than enough

Fred H

[Dr Mordrid]

eXasPeration is indeed a good name for XP. NO doubt about that.

YUY2 is supported in the final Win2K drivers for G400 Marvel but not for G200 or RRG. G200 & RRG users have to use RGB.

As far as speed goes, I've used PICVideo for MJPeg captures with rather low spec'ed systems compared to what I'm running now. A Celeron 466 on a 66mhz bus sufficed nicely. PICVideo is very, very fast vs. the resources used. Also: up until recently it was freely registered. Now it's all of $18 usd.

When using RGB as a source you need a faster system because of the YUY2 -> RGB -> PICVideo double conversion that has to be done. Most analog cards use YUY2 (or some variant) as the native format and get RGB by way of an interal coversion in the drivers.

YUY2 -> PICVideo skips the RGB conversion and so needs fewer resources. Add PICVideo's inherent speed and.....

PICVideo works better because you can set it to capture at higher data rates. PICVideo's Q=20 is equal to 5+ mb/s vs. Matrox's DMB1 is limited to ~3 mb/s. This results in PICVideo doing better overlays and composite effects.

PICVideo's other advantage is that it's a DirectShow codec. Matrox's DMB1 isn't.

Terry

[Fred H]

The biggest drawback of the Matrox dmb1 is that you can’t play the .avi on a nonMatrox card.
I tested the Morgan codec in dmb1 mode, which created other problems. The file created could not be edited again with the Matrox dmb1.
I agree with Doc.
The best I can recommend is the PICVideo.

Fred H