Scalability of G400/G400 Max

[Grant]

Now would be a good time to put together data on the scalability of the G400 and G400 Max.

New processors have just been announced by AMD and Intel with top-of-the-line speeds at 800 mhz.

This high speed is great, but even better is the lower prices for the "older cpu's". Time to upgrade our CPU's.

Soooo, lets get together some data on the performance of the G400/G400 max for each of the P3 and AMD processors (with the latest drivers from Matrox).

I suggest that we use 3DMark2000 as our benchmark and test at 1024 X 768 x 16Z.

My data is:

CPU: P2 450
Video: G400 Max
Driver: PD 5.41

3DMarks: 1643
CPU Speed: 87
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Dell Intel 440bx, P2 450, 128 megs ram, IBM 13g hard drive, G400 Max, 256k AGP aperture, Win 98 SE, DirectX 7.0 (not a),TBS Montego Audio, Dell D1226H 19 inch monitor at 1280x1024x32, 3com XL10/100


[This message has been edited by Grant (edited 02 January 2000).]

[GD]

Hi,

Our configs are really close Grant. And our scores too: 1647

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PC Power and Cooling Deluxe Chrome Tower case and 300W ATX Power Supply, Dual Slot1 440GX AMI MegaRUM II motherboard, 128MB of ECC 100 MHz SDRAM, PII 450 MHz, Matrox G400 MAX, Seagate Cheetah 9,1GB @ primary SCSI Ultra2 Wide controller, Hitachi 4x DVD-ROM, Panasonic (Matsushita) LS-120 Drive, Terratec EWS64XL sound card.

[Grant]

I will post some of the scalability data that I retrieved from the 3DMark2000 thread:

The 3DMark 2000 benchmark is at 1024 x 768 X 16Z

Results For G400's:

P3 450 3DMarks: 2,165 CPU: 128
P3 600 3DMarks: 2,806 CPU: ??


Results for G400 Max's:

P2 450 3DMarks: 1,643 CPU: 87
P3 500 3DMarks: 2,471 CPU: ??
P3 600 3DMarks: 2,625 CPU: 157

I will try to find some more and post them.
Please help. Also these results are from individual systems that may have unique configurations. Your 'mileage' may vary.

Grant

[Maggi]

Those CPU results that have ?? instead of numbers show that the benchmark was run in 32bpp colordepth.

The CPU benchmark uses a DirectX software engine that is linked to 16bpp colordepth.

The easiest way to make 'em comparable is to run the default benchmark on startup and I recommend to post the full results table, to point out the real differences and not only that bogus overall score.
<FONT SIZE=1>In case you don't know ... > "Save As" > choose .txt as format > open in notepad > copy'n'paste into here ...<FONT SIZE=2>

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Nice idea btw !



I'll be back with results !

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Cheerio,
Maggi

Home rig:
Celeron333A @ 500MHz
Asus P2B-S @ 100MHz FSB
2x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox G400 @ 150/200MHz core/mem clock
Pioneer S303 DVD
... and some other goodies ...

[Maggi]

... and here we go ...

Width: 1024
Height: 768
Depth: 16-Bit
Buffering: Triple
Z-Buffering: 16-Bit
Refresh Rate: VSync Off
Texture Format: 16-Bit

Options:
Continuous Benchmark: No
Show Title Screens: Yes
Benchmark Run Count: 1
Continuous Demo Mode: No
Sounds Enabled: Yes
CPU Optimization: D3D Software T&L

RESULTS
Platform: Internal
3DMark Result: 1802 3D marks
CPU Speed: 95 CPU 3D marks
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail: 39,7 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail: 23,9 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail: 9,1 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail: 43,4 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail: 21,9 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail: 12,0 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing): 270,5 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing): 268,9 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light): 1148 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights): 806 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights): 595 KTriangles/s
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 212,9 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 197,1 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 124,7 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed: 68,1 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass): 99,7 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass): 127,1 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass): 226,7 FPS
Bump Mapping (Environment): 90,0 FPS



That test was run under PD5.41 on my OCed Celeron333A.



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Cheerio,
Maggi

Home rig:
Celeron333A @ 500MHz
Asus P2B-S @ 100MHz FSB
2x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox G400 @ 150/200MHz core/mem clock
Pioneer S303 DVD
... and some other goodies ...

[Greebe]

Try these

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Designer of the first commercial Athlon mod. Currently marketing the "Eclipse" through AZZO Computers.
Anyone up for an Eclipse'd Athlon? Email me (epc@netdirect.net) for more information

3000 mips, 1.172 gflops @ 900 mHz 1:3 latency
CPUmark99 75
FPU Winmark 4890

3Dmark 99 Max (8x6 16, 16, triple) PD5.41
8000
15181

[Maggi]

Hey Greebe,

where are your 3D Mark 2000 scores ???

[MegaManX4]

Hi,
Just the numbers:
G400 SDRAM (32MB) with PIII-600=2399 3DMarks
G400 SGRAM (32MB) with PIII-600=2501 3DMarks
G400 SDRAM (16MB) with K6-3 450=1600 3DMarks

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K6-3 400Mhz@450Mhz
G400 16MB, 192MB Ram and so on

[This message has been edited by MegaManX4 (edited 04 January 2000).]

[Maggi]

And here comes a table that compares the 32MB DH Vanilla at default clock vs. OCed above MAX speed ...

Maggis P3 - G400 - public PD5.41

G400 32MB DH Vanilla @ default clock & 151.9/202.5MHz core/mem clock

Width: 1024
Height: 768
Depth: 16-Bit
Buffering: Triple
Z-Buffering: 16-Bit
Refresh Rate: VSync Off
Texture Format: 16-Bit

Options:
Continuous Benchmark: No
Show Title Screens: Yes
Benchmark Run Count: 1
Continuous Demo Mode: No
Sounds Enabled: Yes
CPU Optimization: Intel(R) Pentium(R) III

RESULTS
Platform: Internal
3DMark Result: 2146 & 2244 3D marks
CPU Speed: 126 & 126 CPU 3D marks
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail: 42.0 & 42,8 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail: 26.2 & 26,4 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail: 8.5 & 8,5 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail: 50.9 & 57,5 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail: 32.1 & 32,7 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail: 19.2 & 19,2 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing): 226.8 & 274,2 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing): 225.3 & 272,0 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light): 1690 & 1687 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights): 1537 & 1535 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights): 1374 & 1370 KTriangles/s
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 193.7 & 235,3 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 187.3 & 213,1 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 129.7 & 133,3 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed: 71.4 & 71,1 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass): 90.2 & 90,9 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass): 114.4 & 133,2 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass): 199.5 & 242,4 FPS
Bump Mapping (Environment): 80.7 & 98,2 FPS


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Cheers,
Maggi
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Working Rig:
Asus P2B-DS @ 100MHz FSB
Double Pentium III-450
4 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead
Eye-Q 777 (22" with 127kHz) on primary VGA
Nokia 445Xi (21") on secondary VGA

Home Rig:
Asus P2B-S Bios 1010 @ 100MHz FSB
Celeron 333A @ 500MHz
2 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead @ 150/200MHz
CTX VL710T (17")
and a brand new Pioneer 303S SCSI-DVD

[Greebe]

Oops... a duh! ~3500 3Dfarq2K's, 220 cpubarq's

[Maggi]

Hey Greebe ...

is it asked too much or could you also post the other results ?

I'd like to see the strengths and weaknesses of your Athlete ...

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Cheers,
Maggi
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Working Rig:
Asus P2B-DS @ 100MHz FSB
Double Pentium III-450
4 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead
Eye-Q 777 (22" with 127kHz) on primary VGA
Nokia 445Xi (21") on secondary VGA

Home Rig:
Asus P2B-S Bios 1010 @ 100MHz FSB
Celeron 333A @ 500MHz
2 x 128MB CAS2 SDRAM
Matrox Millennium G400 32MB DualHead @ 150/200MHz
CTX VL710T (17")
and a brand new Pioneer 303S SCSI-DVD

[JWilliams]

Maggi...At the risk of posting "bogus scores", I'll put mine up here, and if you tell me how to cut and paste my results, I'll put the whole schmere here!
Test just ran, but I couldn't just cut and paste like 3DMark 99.
3019 3D
201 CPU
K7@750/128MB
G400Max OC 110%

[paulcs]

I have two systems running G400's. They don't compare well with each other, as one board is a Max and the other is not. They may be helpful in the grand scheme of things.

The first is PIII 600 based system with 384 MB RAM, and a G400 Max at spec:

RESULTS
Platform: Internal
3DMark Result: 2633 3D marks
CPU Speed: 157 CPU 3D marks
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail: 53.0 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail: 32.5 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail: 10.5 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail: 59.7 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail: 39.6 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail: 24.1 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing): 270.7 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing): 269.0 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light): 2154 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights): 1972 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights): 1760 KTriangles/s
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 225.0 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 217.6 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 152.0 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed: 88.0 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass): 99.5 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass): 127.0 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass): 226.7 FPS
Bump Mapping (Environment): 90.2 FPS


The second is PII based system clocked at 468 MHz (4 x 117) with 256 MB RAM and a G400 Vanilla at spec:

RESULTS
Platform: Internal
3DMark Result: 1750 3D marks
CPU Speed: 95 CPU 3D marks
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail: 38.7 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail: 23.8 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail: 9.4 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail: 40.8 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail: 21.3 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail: 11.8 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing): 223.4 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing): 221.9 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light): 1300 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights): 861 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights): 615 KTriangles/s
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 180.6 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 171.5 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 111.0 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed: 59.1 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass): 90.0 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass): 113.9 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass): 197.9 FPS
Bump Mapping (Environment): 80.4 FPS

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[JWilliams]

But how do you cut and paste?? looks like Acrobat, but I dont use that much..

[Maggi]

Hi JWilliams,

... > "Save As" > choose .txt as format > open in notepad > copy'n'paste into here ...