Millennium P-Series

[Chrono_Wanderer]

ehh... this is weird... no whitepaper... very un-Matrox...

[UtwigMU]

Just like G450 site points you to G400 whitepaper.

[Elie]

Originally posted by George YS
Nice to see Matrox's announcement of new product.
But i quite doubt about the market of P-650, for a similar price there are plenty of mid-end ATI and Nvidia cards with better performance. So who will buy the P-650 except matrox lovers like us?

I'll tell you why...

1-Matrox is the only company out of the three to produce a card with three outputs, two monitors and a TV at the same time.

2-Matrox is still considered the best quality 2D output with reasonable 3D for titling and OpenGL transitions and filters.

3-Matrox has the cleanest output for those large monitors at high refresh rates to date!

4-The Matrox PD-HF is very flexible and easy to use.

5-For video editors using software like Ulead 7.0, Matrox is the best choice for the best output to TV in the business. Even ATI can't touch it, and this is from experience.

What more do you want? If all you think of is games then go buy a Radeon 9700 Pro or something.
But if your intentions are quality 2D and superb TV out, then Matrox has the market!

Cheers,
Elie

[Darkbane]

TV Out... RGB Again?

One of the things that made Matrox Great (imho) was that the G4xx series were the only card (now Radeon unofficially do too) with RGB TV-Out support.
You know.. here in Europe even Low-End tv sets do have RGB in.. and when connected in RGB even text looks great on a TV.

A shame (and dZeus knows) for us HTPC users is that there seems to be no way of using any widescreen res on the Gxx.. So
Let's hope that P650 (750?) does:
1)support RGB TV Out
2)support 16:9 widescreen aspect ratio on TV-Out.

Otherwise even this new cards will be useless for HTPCers. (I got a G400 in my HTPC and I'm really thinking of switching to a Radeon..)

Long live Matrox!

Daevon

[Chrono_Wanderer]

nay... Matrox was always great. Everybody loved the original Millennium cards... crisp 2D for professionals, unmatched!

[IceStorm]

They have my pre-order for a P750. Sounds like a perfect replacement for my aging G550 Dual DVI.

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Its not a bad card at all. Matrox is finally on the right track... i.e. the price is right! Its just that I want better 3D performance... so probably non-Matrox cards for me. Sigh... I can feel my eyes are going to water after kicking out this G550...

[Marshmallowman]

1-Matrox is the only company out of the three to produce a card with three outputs, two monitors and a TV at the same time.

But there are a few quad display cards from ATI/NV, that can do that

One of the things that made Matrox Great (imho) was that the G4xx series were the only card (now Radeon unofficially do too) with RGB TV-Out support.

ATI officialy does component out for all 8500 and above cards..thats better than RGB.

But as the software/display manager go, Matrox is second to none.

I will be having a hard think about possibly replacing my 8500 with p650 or p750

And on a new point, the p650 is passively cooled so.....how do you think slapping a decent active cooling solution on it and OC'ing the hell out of it will go?

edit:fixed Typo's

[Elie]

Matrox has quad cards as well, and I would prefer them over ATI or NVIDIA any day

As far as quality is concerned, ATI and NVIDIA are in the 3D FPS battle, who can produce the fastest cards totally forgeting about the output quality.

Cheers,
Elie

[UtwigMU]

Originally posted by IceStorm
They have my pre-order for a P750. Sounds like a perfect replacement for my aging G550 Dual DVI.

Ice long time no postoring on teh MURC.

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Originally posted by Marshmallowman
But there are a few quad display cards from ATI/NV, that can do that

I guess he mean 3 screen full OGL/DX 3D acceleration. IIRC the Quadro NVS doesn't do that. Their XGL/Quadro FX line only has 2 output. That's the beauty of Parhelia/P-series: SurroundDesign

Originally posted by Marshmallowman ATI officialy does component out for all 8500 and above cards..thats better than RGB.

Yup. Using that right here w/my VCR

Originally posted by Marshmallowman I will be having a hard think about possibly replacing my 8500 with p650 or p750

hmm... Actually I want to replace my R8500 128MB (see sig) w/a P750 for the 2D. Its my first non-Matrox card for years. (Okay Tasng Labs doesn't count ) But my eyes watered when i first got it. (Now i am used to it, but apparently its not in my main rig, which is also a work rig)

Originally posted by Marshmallowman And on a new point, the p650 is passively cooled so.....how do you think slapping a decent active cooling solution on it and OC'ing the hell out of it will go?

My thought exactly. Is this thing produced under 0.13?

[Wombat]

OCing probably won't go too well. This thing is still a Parhelia derivative AFAIK. P's didn't OC well, even with destructive volt-modding.

[Chrono_Wanderer]

true...

Matrox just lack the equiptments to clock their chips

[K6-III]

Well, it does have less features and seems less complex. That may mean higher clocks than parhelia for OCers...

[Chrono_Wanderer]

definitely less complex. 512bit vs. 256bit!