Canada - US, Bush and the "moron" comment

[Greebe]

LOL... and if this was an negative Decocrat joke thread you would be reveling in it... oh wait, you just did

The election is over Doc, you can stop taking those Pro Republican suppositories now

[Pace]

Hmm, I voted for all 4.

Who's a moron?

[Electric Amish]

Politics....

amish

[Strahd]

Originally posted by Byock


I agree. Zokes, you bring the Beer, and I will meet ya somewhere near the border!

Then I'll bring the wings. Oops did I say wings?

I don't think she should have had to resign. Appologize at the most.

[gt40]

She's downright fugly anyway, she should just resign on that premise. (j/k)

GWB, regardless of his performance as a president, is of high enough stature that a pee-on like a communications director does not have the right to call him a moron to the media.

By the way, did someone mention bbq and beer???
mmmmmmmmmm

[Dr Mordrid]

Yeah.....brats, country ribs w/home made sauce & Guinness

FYI: elections may be over but politics never is

Besides...there is still ONE Senate election left: the Louisiana run-off.

Dr. Mordrid

[GNEP]

You never give up do you Doc?

[Greebe]

and if this bothers him that much, he most certainly doesn't deserve the position he's in.

heh.. GWB you are a crack smokin moron that couldn't even run a two bit minor league team

now go ahead and get me fired

Just wait I'll be on CNN tommorrow

[GNEP]

ROFL

[ElDonAntonio]

Dr Morbid:

That those anti-US/anti-GWB/politically correct folks overseas haven't got the message yet says more about them than anything else. After all; France, Germany et. al. have shown a rather strong propensity for ignoring the obvious when it comes to foreign policy going all the way back to the 1970's.

Let me get this straight: the US got the most terrible (IMO) terrorist attack in history, the US is the most hated country in the world, the CIA is well-known for staging coup d'etats in developping countries, the US ignores all international law as demonstrated by the Nicaragua affair recently, and you criticize France and Germany's foreign policies?

[The PIT]

Originally posted by ElDonAntonio
and you criticize France foreign policies?

The whole World criticizes the French.

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by ElDonAntonio
Dr Morbid:

....the US is the most hated country in the world, the CIA is well-known for staging coup d'etats in developping countries, the US ignores all international law as demonstrated by the Nicaragua affair recently, and you criticize France and Germany's foreign policies?

The US involvement in Nicaragua was over more than 20 years ago, and it's doing better as a democracy than it ever did under the communistic Sandinistas so we were probably right on that one.

The rest of what you're talking about took place well before that and by and large was done to counter Russian, Chinese or Cuban intervention in the same area(s).

It was called "The Cold War". If you've ever read a history book you might have heard of it and your beloved Germans, French and other European governments were up to their hips with us in doing the same or similar things.

Dr. Mordrid

[The PIT]

I noticed Eldon didn't mention the Ussr.

[ElDonAntonio]

You just got to love it when an American says "yeah, we bombed the shit out of them, ruined the country, but now that they've been "americanized", they're better off". Of course, CNN won't show you of the horrors the US leaves behind it every time it engages in foreign affairs, but rather staging false reports by taking daugthers of politicians and making them pose as foreign vicitms being slaughtered by however the US wants to bomb. Remember Koweit-Iraq?

Thanks for your condescending reply, Mordrid. I do open a book now and then, but I don't feel that insecure to name myself "Doctor" on a web forum. Anyways.

You might want to read a conference given by Chomsky. He gave it late last year, after the september 11 attacks. I was still in MIT at the time so I was lucky enough to hear it. Here's an excerpt which says a lot about US foreign policies. I recommend you read the whole thing though, it's long but very interesting.

http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2001-November/000777.html

But I'll just mention one case which is totally uncontroversial, so we might as well not argue about it, by no means the most extreme but uncontroversial. It's uncontroversial because of the judgments of the highest international authorities the International Court of Justice, the World Court, and the UN Security Council. So this one is uncontroversial, at least among people who have some minimal concern for international law, human rights, justice and other things like that. And now I'll leave you an exercise. You can estimate the size of that
category by simply asking how often this uncontroversial case has been mentioned in the commentary of the last month. And it's a particularly relevant one, not only because it is uncontroversial, but because it does offer a precedent as to how a law abiding state would respond to...did respond in fact to international terrorism, which is uncontroversial. And was even more extreme than the events of September 11th. I'm talking about the Reagan-US war against Nicaragua which left
tens of thousands of people dead, the country ruined, perhaps beyond recovery.

Nicaragua did respond. They didn't respond by setting off bombs in Washington. They responded by taking it to the World Court, presenting a case, they had no problem putting together evidence. The World Court accepted their case, ruled in their favor, ordered the...condemned what they called the "unlawful use of force," which is another word for international terrorism, by the United States, ordered the United States to terminate the crime and to pay massive reparations. The United
States, of course, dismissed the court judgment with total contempt and announced that it would not accept the jurisdiction of the court henceforth. Then Nicaragua then went to the UN Security Council which considered a resolution calling on all states to observe international law. No one was mentioned but everyone understood. The United States vetoed the resolution. It now stands as the only state on record which
has both been condemned by the World Court for international terrorism and has vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on states to observe international law. Nicaragua then went to the General Assembly where there is technically no veto but a negative US vote amounts to a veto. It passed a similar resolution with only the United States, Israel, and El Salvador opposed. The following year again, this time the United States could only rally Israel to the cause, so 2 votes opposed to observing international law. At that point, Nicaragua couldn't do
anything lawful. It tried all the measures. They don't work in a world that is ruled by force.


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