http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1620

[Dr Mordrid]

Yup. From the time they made the decision it put them months behind.

Dr. Mordrid

[piaxVirus]

I am no expert. But from what I can tell. TSMC is the only one able to produce (still unreliable) using a 130nm process. Since VIA, Nvidia, ATI, and Transmeta are first in line. There is little chance Matrox would get enough chips produced. Matrox going with the 150nm process. May prove beneficial if TSMC doesn't get all the bugs worked out in time for NV30 and R300.

A die shrink alone would take 3 months. To add PS2, Occlusion Culling, Z-buffer compression, fully-programmable FPU pixel pipeline, and 64 bit rendering. Which requires a major restructuring of the core. Would add another 3 - 6 months. I don't expect Matrox to release anything else for another year. By that time TSMC or UMC's 90nm process may be ready for mass production.

[Wombat]

I highly doubt that the "nv30 is amazing" is from seeing an actual card. If anything, Anand might have been shown specs.

[VigilAnt]

Anand has not seen any NV30 cards, I can assure you of this. There have not been any NV30 boards out yet. They are still far from completion on that project contrary to the tone that Anand uses in his article.

VigilAnt

[Jazzz]

Originally posted by Greebe
Yes it's been know for a while now that the NV30 will be on 130nm process and using copper interconnects, but let me remind you all the reason nV canned the NV25 GPU was because of their fear of what Parhelia will bring... and it's huge... for them to sidestep the NV25 and jump on the NV30 with the addition of a new manufacturing process that's only just now feasible by their fab TSMC. They both have alot of work to go with getting this chip made.

You guys make me laugh in thinking that developing a chip is a month or two deal and or moving to another process is a simple transition. It most certainly is not.

Cool, I didn't know I thought the nv25 was Geforce4 Ti4600 , I think you have misunderstood what I said, I was under the impression that the fabs where the chips were gonna be made were already able to use the .13 process. Also what is TSMC is it a fab? I think ill upgrade me computer when the AMD clawhammers are out, seems like January now and October (like i originally thought) for companys I was hoping to get this Matrox card but i think i might hold out for the next one which will hopefully be out then but more likely a couple months after

[MadScot]

Where are the Matrox cards being fabed? Are they still using NEC?

MadScot

[Greebe]

OK here we go boys and girls...

TSMC is a fab, they are currently the only fab which is capable of 130nm process outside of AMD and Intel. Even then I'm in agreement with Wombat, it's spotty at best. This is even new to them and thus for anyone to claim.. Oh we should wait a few months for 0.13 GPU's to hit is fooling themselves... even AMD is struggling with the process. Don't think that just because the process is small the parts will be faster (atm).

Even then Parhelia boasts more features than any competitor and when their products hit, it'll be nothing more than a warmover of what your hearing now(competitors cards). The reason is simple they don't boast the feature/speed Matrox currently has. They won't be able to incorporate these into their about to be in a few months (BS that's not going to happen) designs.

They will have to pull an nV and regurgitate what they'll be coming out with in a fluffed up version.... again

BTW the only reason that the likes of Anand and Tom's is hyping the competitors product ATM is because Matox's stealing the show with speed/features... not one of these sites has seen Parhelia, even then if they have it was an older Alpha version and they're balking at it ... sure they are because they're bought and paid for pimps, the whores in their own right of the hardware review industry.

Strong words I know, but I call'm as I see'm.

[Greebe]

Oh forgot one last thing... the game developers are eating this card up... they are not waiting around for ATi/nV's next whatever to hit the street... they have products now and new ones just around the corner that will greatly benifit from what Parhelia will offer very Soon™

[Jazzz]

Greebe, would you think the current parhelia is gonna run hot? It has alot of cool features, I know there is a heat sink and fan combo but it would be interesting to see how hot it runs. Earlier on I was abit upset about why some features had been left, I had been looking forword to this card for a while and kinda expected and wanted everything to be on it, silly me

Also I believe AMD had sorted their problems out a while ago, they were gonna release the throughbred then Barton then clawhammer, rumour has it AMD are gonna put all the Barton features on the throughbred and leave the Barton out.

lol strong words but they are true, Tomshardware are so biased it is unbelievable there article is basically a load of bull, gamers were upset coz of the G550 WTF are they on about. Anandtech are not as much biased but i think both of them are upset they didn't a card to play about with. Anandtech's comment in his article are abit harsh but none of them are BS (maybe except for the quake3 one, i was positive it would see an improvement using Parhelia)

[Cobos]

I might not agree with what was written on Toms, but the gamers actually WERE dissapointed with the G550 (or maybe I should use it's older name G800 :-) . It never became the card everyone wanted it to be....And apart from the dual DVI, I'm myself hardpressed to see the advantages of the G550 compared to the G450

Cobos

[Greebe]

Heat is a non issue... damn I'm pissed because of the NDA violating f*ckwits posting pics of an Alpha version of the board (not to mention other partial details just so they can steal the show).

No AMD has not sorted out all the problems... they had to pull back the release of the 130nm Tbreds because of it... they are just about to re release them, but don't expect extreme OCing just yet.


Doesn't it just amaze ya when one n00b starts claiming Oh I heard it'll be on 0.13 process it's followed by a thousand more noroms claimng it's fact... at this rate the world will implode do to all the suction coming out their backside!

[Greebe]

Cobos, does this card in the slightest way resemble a G550? Nope

[Jazzz]

lol @ Greebe

Cobos, to my knowledge the G550 is not a gaming card so i don't see why Gamers would be disappointed

[Greebe]

Oh one other thing I'd like to add... the G550 was NEVER marketed as a gamers card. It can play most games, as some know how deadly I can be when playing UT against them and their greater than twice as fast systems and GF4Ti4600's can attest. But it truely is nothing more than a excellent Business graphics card.

[Cobos]

Don't get me wrong.... I never said that the G550 was/is a gaming card, what I said was that last time Matrox "promised " (I know they never did, but some people feel because of all the rumours around the G800 they did) a gaming card, what they actually got in it's place was the G550, hence the disappointment.
Now the Parhelia 512 is a completely different matter I'm actually seriously considering buying a 300-400USD component to my computer when it's at it's most expensive... I've never bought anything more expensive than 250USD before ever for my computer.... What does that says

Cobos