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  • Dr Mordrid
    Moderator
    • Apr 2001
    • 26592

    #1

    Birth of SKYNET? Hmm...

    Interesting to say the least;

    Pentagon Plans God-like Internet

    NewsMax Wire
    Saturday, Nov. 13, 2004

    Peter Teets, under secretary of the Air Force, has told Congress that a new military Internet being ramped up, would allow “marines in a Humvee, in a faraway land, in the middle of a rainstorm, to open up their laptops, request imagery” from a spy satellite, and “get it downloaded within seconds,” according to a report in the NY Times.

    Calling its secure network the Global Information Grid, or GIG, the Pentagon concedes, however, that the project may consume two decades and hundreds of billions of dollars to build.

    Providing the connections to run the war net, for instance, will cost at least $24 billion over the next five years -- more than the cost, in today’s dollars, of the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb. Additionally, encrypting data will be a $5 billion project.

    Hundreds of thousands of new radios are likely to cost $25 billion. Satellite systems for intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and communications will add tens of billions.

    All tallied, Pentagon documents suggest a bottom line of $200 billion -- to cover the war net’s hardware and software in the next decade or so.

    Costs aside, there is plenty of enthusiasm for the project. "[It’s] possibly the single most transforming thing in our force," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has said.

    But as would be expected, there are detractors and skeptics as well.
    Vint Cerf, one of the fathers of the Internet and a Pentagon consultant on the war net, said, “I want to make sure what we realize is vision and not hallucination. This is sort of like Star Wars, where the policy was, ‘Let’s go out and build this system,’ and technology lagged far behind. There’s nothing wrong with having ambitious goals. You just need to temper them with physics and reality.”

    Pentagon traditionalists point to the street fighting in Falluja and Baghdad -- saying firepower and armor still mean more than fiber optic cables and wireless connections.

    Also in the mix: the potential for the super Net to cut through the bureaucracies of Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines – proud branches that have traditionally built their own weapons and traditions. A network, advocates say, would cut through those old ways.

    Advocates like Robert J. Stevens, chief executive of the Lockheed Martin Corporation, the nation’s biggest military contractor, said he envisioned a “highly secure Internet in which military and intelligence activities are fused,” shaping 21st-century warfare in the way that nuclear weapons shaped the cold war.

    Every member of the military would have “a picture of the battle space, a God’s-eye view,” he added. “And that’s real power.”

    Pro or con, the ideals of this new warfare are reportedly driving many of the Pentagon’s spending plans for the next 10 to 15 years. The grail: sending secret intelligence and stratagems instantly to soldiers in battle, making the military a faster, fiercer force against a faceless foe.
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  • William
    MURCer
    • Jun 2002
    • 283

    #2
    Seems to me that if they're in the middle of a rainstorm, then the spy satellite is going to provide them with wonderfully detailed pictures of clouds.

    Assuming that I got the gist of what they're suggesting properly.
    MURC COC Minister of Wierd Confusion (MWC)

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    • UtwigMU
      Super MURCer
      • Jul 2002
      • 5651

      #3
      Well a restful day on the front and soldier will pull out his laptop and access high bandwidth stimulative video content

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      • lAmerZ
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        • Apr 2000
        • 159

        #4
        maybe the future GI will be skilled in some hacking techniques...
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        • Brian Ellis
          Super MURCer
          • Sep 1999
          • 9623

          #5
          $200 billion? Are there no starving or sick people in the USA that need feeding up a little or treated first?
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          • Umfriend
            Crabby Smurf
            • Mar 2001
            • 7308

            #6
            What, and raise taxes for that? Next thing you;re going to suggest to have some medcare over there. Get out of here dude.

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            • Jessterw
              Style Master, Rtd.
              • Jul 2002
              • 4265

              #7
              This all means we're going to have to start another war once it's completed. Wouldn't want to put all that money to waste
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              • TransformX
                Super MURCer
                • Sep 2003
                • 4946

                #8
                Originally posted by Jesterzwild
                This all means we're going to have to start another war once it's completed. Wouldn't want to put all that money to waste
                I disagree, such a system could be put to very good use for non-combat/war related puproses as well.
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                • Jessterw
                  Style Master, Rtd.
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 4265

                  #9
                  Sorry that was sarcasm/joke. There are obvious non-military applications; however the primary purpose being mentioned is for military actions.
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                  • Dr Mordrid
                    Moderator
                    • Apr 2001
                    • 26592

                    #10
                    As far as the weather comments go; we have cloud penetrating sensors in our spy satellites using various technologies. Visible light ain't the only trick up their sleeve.

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                    • Fat Tone
                      Super MURCer
                      • Aug 1999
                      • 7579

                      #11
                      Surely if you look at the natural progression of networking technologies that's where things are headed anyway? Why spend so much to duplicate it, when it may just need a little tweaking of protocols for security?
                      FT.

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                      • Dr Mordrid
                        Moderator
                        • Apr 2001
                        • 26592

                        #12
                        The US military networks require much higher security and data rates than any civilian network could provide. They also need isolation from the civilian internet to prevent them from being affected by DoS attacks.

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                        • mmp121
                          MURCer
                          • Aug 2001
                          • 683

                          #13
                          Was not the original internet (the one we use now) initially a project of the defense department? I mean who knows what "civilian" uses this might have in the near future.
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                          • Jessterw
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 4265

                            #14
                            ARPANET and research into packet switching technologies represented the beginnings of what evolved into the modern-day Internet (though initial research on this type networking began much earlier). In the early days it was indeed used largely by the US government/military, research labs, and universities.
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                            • Fluff
                              Super MURCer
                              • Apr 2002
                              • 1522

                              #15
                              So they are going to develop a completely new protocol? Custom hardware etc?

                              Hope Microsoft arent developing it.
                              Last edited by Fluff; 15 November 2004, 00:09.
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