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  • Jammrock
    The Berserker
    • Aug 1999
    • 8661

    #1

    What to hear better ... tickle your toes.

    Want to improve your hearing? Have someone tickle your toes, or lightly stroke the palm of your hand. Sounds crazy, but it works, and things get even weirder. Every day, in everything we do, our body collects information from our five senses and combines it into a coherent picture that helps to guide our actions and, in evolutionary terms, helps to keep us alive. It's a well-known phenomenon, but it has long been believed that this process, which scientists call "sensory integration," occurs in the brain at relatively high cognitive levels, in an area known as the associative cortex.


    The Max Planck Institute in Tübingen, Germany recently published an article in Neuron (a scientific like journal) that the senses of hearing and touch are directly related. Their research shows that sensory integration for touch and hearing occur in auidtory cortex, not in the associative cortex like previously thought. Thus stimulating your touch receptors heightens your ability to hear.

    Stereophile mentions a quick test that you can do to hear if it's true yourself by lightly rubbing you palms while listening to music. In theory, the music will sound better while rubbing your palms that if you just sat there.

    That's cool. I'm gonna try it at home tonight.

    Jammrock
    “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
    –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett
  • Dr Mordrid
    Moderator
    • Apr 2001
    • 26592

    #2
    Why limit yourself to just hands or toes?

    Dr. Mordrid
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    • Nowhere
      Super MURCer
      • Jun 2002
      • 4830

      #3
      Oh my, "audiophiles" at work...
      Nevermind that there's no link to the research... But based on article itself, it is apparent that reserachers claim only "different" hearing, while editor of article suggests "better" hearing. Do I have to say more?

      PS. Jammrock, could you please do some test, if you're interested? I guess you have some friends of similar interests in listening equipment to which you can forward the article to... Are you curious what effect on their hearing would bring one little change to forwarded text? Namely: that the effect worsens hearing (for example by "making those areas of the brain more busy", it's easy to attach to the changed article plausible sounding explanation). Or show somebody changed text on your cpmputer/home network... (of course in such case one can be somehow influenced by your current belief anyway...)
      Aren't you really curious?
      Last edited by Nowhere; 24 October 2005, 12:25.

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      • Jammrock
        The Berserker
        • Aug 1999
        • 8661

        #4
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I should have guessed you would chime in with your typical cynicism.

        First off, most scientific journals do not offer their articles online to the public, and especially for free. Nature is the same way.

        As for a link to the result or research:



        And information about the Max Planck Society/Institute:



        And thirdly ... this had nothing to do with being an audiophile. This is a fun little article that points out an interesting discovery about how the human body works. The fact that I linked to Stereophile was simply because that's where I found the article.

        I do plan on playing with the touch/hearing test (not how Doc is thinking ... though that's a good idea), but not because I think it will improve the sound quality of my music, but because it sounds (no pun intended) like a fun experiment.

        Jammrock
        “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
        –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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        • Nowhere
          Super MURCer
          • Jun 2002
          • 4830

          #5
          Oh no, you won't get out of it that easy

          Firstly, it's skepticism. I assure you the people conducting those research also have a lot of it...

          Secondly, I've said nevermind, didn't I? (however they should provide some source...and BTW, thanks that you've done so)

          And thirdly ... this has everything with audiphilia . The http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrati...lease20051019/ , as I suspected, doesn't even claim that hearing of sounds (not related to sounds of palms rubbing - it mentions possibility that such things can create some false perceptions) is influenced, nevermind "better". They "just" see interesting activity in certain areas of the brain.
          But the editor of Stereophile assumed that not only music will sound different (it might...), but also "better". Why not worse? (OTOH...what results can bring testing when someone's believing the whole thing is cool...)

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          • Sasq
            Administrator
            • Jan 2001
            • 4635

            #6
            Nowhere, stop being an ass.
            Juu nin to iro


            English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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            • Nowhere
              Super MURCer
              • Jun 2002
              • 4830

              #7
              Hmm...why not.
              Why make people a bit less happy...

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              • ZokesPro
                Serial Murcerer
                • Sep 2000
                • 8325

                #8
                Originally posted by Jammrock
                Stereophile mentions a quick test that you can do to hear if it's true yourself by lightly rubbing you palms while listening to music. In theory, the music will sound better while rubbing your palms that if you just sat there.


                Jammrock
                I highly doubt that rubbing my palms while listening to country music will make it sound better.
                Titanium is the new bling!
                (you heard from me first!)

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                • Jammrock
                  The Berserker
                  • Aug 1999
                  • 8661

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ZokesPro
                  I highly doubt that rubbing my palms while listening to country music will make it sound better.
                  You could be in the middle of an orgasm and it wouldn't help country music sound any better.

                  Jammrock
                  “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                  –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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                  • Jammrock
                    The Berserker
                    • Aug 1999
                    • 8661

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nowhere
                    Oh no, you won't get out of it that easy

                    Firstly, it's skepticism. I assure you the people conducting those research also have a lot of it...

                    Secondly, I've said nevermind, didn't I? (however they should provide some source...and BTW, thanks that you've done so)

                    And thirdly ... this has everything with audiphilia . The http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrati...lease20051019/ , as I suspected, doesn't even claim that hearing of sounds (not related to sounds of palms rubbing - it mentions possibility that such things can create some false perceptions) is influenced, nevermind "better". They "just" see interesting activity in certain areas of the brain.
                    But the editor of Stereophile assumed that not only music will sound different (it might...), but also "better". Why not worse? (OTOH...what results can bring testing when someone's believing the whole thing is cool...)
                    If I took this as a serious audiophile thing ... don't you think I would have posted this in the HTPC & HIFI forum instead of ... The Lounge. Use your head for once.

                    Jammrock
                    “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                    –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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                    • Nowhere
                      Super MURCer
                      • Jun 2002
                      • 4830

                      #11
                      Heheh, you have to try harder . Nevermind that a lot of people post in the Lounge to get more attention and other simply use "New post" feature and don't even look in which section the topic is - remember that I'll remember your stance on this...

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                      • Jammrock
                        The Berserker
                        • Aug 1999
                        • 8661

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nowhere
                        remember that I'll remember your stance on this...
                        Oh no! Dear, God of all the heavens above SAVE ME!! Nowhere is going to remember my stance on this!!!!

                        AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

                        I'm through!

                        I'm ruined!

                        It's all over for me!

                        I'm done for...


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