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  • Jammrock
    The Berserker
    • Aug 1999
    • 8661

    #1

    Turtle ID help

    Anyone know, or can figure out for sure, what species of turtle this is? If it is what we think it is... it may be endangered.

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  • Dr Mordrid
    Moderator
    • Apr 2001
    • 26592

    #2
    Are you in N America? If so try this turtle ID page,

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    • Jammrock
      The Berserker
      • Aug 1999
      • 8661

      #3
      Yes and I am, and I already have. Didn't come up with any conclusive results.

      The turtle is 27 years old. We're the third family to care for it. My wife thinks it's a Northern Wood Turtle. The original family lived in Chicago at the time they got it, so it's plausible. We're just not sure.
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      • Dr Mordrid
        Moderator
        • Apr 2001
        • 26592

        #4
        When it pulls in its head does a trap door shut, hinged at the lower shell? I see the possibles as a wood, box ( the trap door) or a slider. Sliders are more common around Chicago, 2 of the 4 common turtles there being softshells, and the others in southern Michigan and Wisconsin.
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        • cjolley
          Super MURCer
          • Aug 1999
          • 7672

          #5
          I think it's a Painted Turtle. Looks like a Red Ear without the red ear. The center markings on it's plastron are questionable, but they are pretty variable on Painted Turtles.
          I don't think Northern Wood Turtles have those stripes on their skin.
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          • Dr Mordrid
            Moderator
            • Apr 2001
            • 26592

            #6
            Correct. Wood turtles usually have either a solid colored head or a 2 tone paint job, darker on top. Painted turtles usually have a lower, smooth shell. Slider shells are usually higher and "lumpier." Around here we have to be careful because of a large population of Snappers. Big ones.
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            • SitFlyer
              Super MURCer
              • Aug 2002
              • 7178

              #7
              I agree with cjolley.
              Looks like it's a Midland Painted Turtle

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              • Dr Mordrid
                Moderator
                • Apr 2001
                • 26592

                #8
                Is the upper shell dark and smooth, without raised segments? If so possibly, but if it's lumpy not so much.
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                • cjolley
                  Super MURCer
                  • Aug 1999
                  • 7672

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
                  Is the upper shell dark and smooth, without raised segments? If so possibly, but if it's lumpy not so much.
                  It's a pretty old turtle, so the smoothness factor might be less important.
                  It doesn't show up well in the photos, but there might be a pink or red tinge to the inside of the upper and lower shells. That's a Painted Turtle trait.
                  If it is a painted turtle it's almost certainly a Midland.
                  Chuck
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                  • Jammrock
                    The Berserker
                    • Aug 1999
                    • 8661

                    #10
                    The shell is not smooth. I'll try to get a better picture.

                    The turtle does not have a trap door.
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                    • Jammrock
                      The Berserker
                      • Aug 1999
                      • 8661

                      #11
                      My Dad thinks it's a map turtle. Or perhaps a painted/map mix? I contacted the original owners. Waiting to see if they can solve the mystery once and for all.
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                      • cjolley
                        Super MURCer
                        • Aug 1999
                        • 7672

                        #12
                        It's not a Map Turtle. http://srelherp.uga.edu/turtles/grageo.htm

                        PS IMHO
                        Chuck
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                        • Jammrock
                          The Berserker
                          • Aug 1999
                          • 8661

                          #13
                          I think the mystery is solved. It's a Central American ornate wood turtle. The turtle must have been imported, not local to the US North as I was told.

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                          • Umfriend
                            Crabby Smurf
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 7308

                            #14
                            I don't think this is an endangered species so...hope you enjoy the soup!
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                            • cjolley
                              Super MURCer
                              • Aug 1999
                              • 7672

                              #15
                              Does it overwinter outside in the northern US?
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