An article on how linux has now become bloated

[The PIT]

Going back to the bloat just doing a internet install of Suse 9 and the default installation is 965mb.

Been going 20 minutes so far at 14% is downloaded which isn't bad.

[leech]

That's why I like Debian. No bloat... well, unless you put it there yourself The only drawback is that it's almost the opposite of bloat... But I'd prefer it that way... at least then you don't end up with a gig of software you'll never use....

Leech

[The PIT]

sadly although it downloaded fairly quickly the installtion is very borked borked beyond repair. Never mind try again.

[leech]

Which one did you download? Last time I installed debian it was with the new Debian-installer Beta4 (haven't had to try the Test Candidate 1 yet, since I have a nice working system now).

Leech

[The PIT]

Suse 9.1. So badly borked it doesn't take keyboard commands and KDE isn't properly loaded. Theres conflicts with the floppy and Audigy 2. Strange 9 worked like a dream.

[leech]

SuSe has always been kind of flakey for me... Not sure why... Actually I think the system I had installed it on before (this was with 7.2 and 7.3) it had a bad SCSI cable... but that's just a guess... it'd work fine for a while, then it'd give Disk I/O errors...

Debian has always been really rock solid though, even though I run 'unstable'

Leech

[Six Of One]

Debian has always been really rock solid though, even though I run 'unstable'

Leech

FYI, that's API stability, not application stability.

[leech]

I know that. And actually it's mostly "unstable" because of Debian's testing scale. A new package has to be in 'unstable' for 10 days before it can get filtered into Testing (at least I'm pretty sure it's 10 days). If it is proven to have problems, then it stays out of Testing and then when a new package revision or application revision comes out, it'll be in a 10 day testing period again... And eventuallly the testing section gets a feature freeze (I think this already happened a while ago, which is why Gnome 2.6 is still in unstable, but Gnome 2.4 is what is in testing.) After all the release critical bugs are fixed, then theoretically Sarge will be released (I think as Debian 3.1, but I am not positive on that... I would think Debian 4.0 would make more sense, since there is so much different with Woody (i.e. Kernel 2.6, new glibc, etc.)

Anyone know what version number it'll be? Personally I think that with Debian, it'd be kind of cool just to get rid of the version numbers but that would confuse new users... but of course, most new users to linux wouldn't get debian anyway....

And I don't think really that the official word from the Debian project is that it's naming scheme is off of the API.... Since 'unstable' has the newest STABLE API of GTK+ (2.4.x)..... Probably, they should change the name to 'untested' it'd make a lot more sense... BUT, I'm not part of the Debian Project, and I certainly don't want to start up THAT debate again on any of the mailing lists.... But that naming would make more sense AND could quite possibly get more people to try Debian Sid as their Desktop rather than Sarge or Woody...

Leech

[The PIT]

Funny thing I re-installed version 9.1 and it worked.

Another funny thing at work I updated the promise controllers bios and that killed Suse 9.1. It started looking for a drive that it wasn't installed on and had a kernal panic.