Anyone tried this benchmark ?

[frankymail]

Hey, don't you think I already know the difference between no bump mapping and EMBM??? I was like the first guy to preorder a G400 from Matrox...

My screenshots were just there to demonstrate a few things:

1) The GeForce 3 is fast...

2) The GeForce 3 doesn't seem to support EMBM in hardware, something that maybe is cause by buggy NEDs, I don't know for sure...
Also, the only way I got SOME games working is to disable 4x AGP and to underclock the core from 200MHz to 150MHz... There a lot of Direct3D games that won't even start...

3) You can't run the G400 version of Expendable on a GeForce 3 card...

Also, I repeat that I would NEVER use this card on a daily basis at high resolutions... I have two Sony E400 monitor, which are VERY high quality 19" CRT, and I still only use a G400/G450 with them... Although the GeForce 3 2D output quality has improved over the G2GTS' one, the difference between it and the G400/G450 is like black and white at high-res... Currently, the only purpose I can find for the GeForce 3 is to run GLMarks and NVIDIA's Cameleon demo to impress your friends. Of course, there's currently no card that can even touch the GF3's Raw 3D power and features... I just hope M did a good job with the G800 so I can show off to my friends when I get one...

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[Toecutter]

Yo Frankie...shoot me over those jpgs, I`ll post them somehow...
Your links are no go...to me anyhow...

BTW...I`ve heard that the GF-line`s crappy 2D had nothin` to do with the chip itself per say, but the crappy Ramdac-filters, that the OEMs supplied their cards with...
After all they figured, FPS uber alles...time will tell...

Will there be bugs at first?...Hell, how old is the G-XXX line... ?

I`m not yet an Nvidiot... ...reachin` for straws...

Oh yeah BTW, thanx for your time and efforts...nice to have the alternative administered gently by a fella matroxuser...

toes1@earthlink.net


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[Greebe]

This better?

[frankymail]

Thanks Greebe

Toecutter, your right, the 2D quality problem of NVIDIA cards is related to the poorly designed capacitors and resistors array between the chip and the sub-15 connector. There a mod for the GF2GTS/MX, but since I don't have the steadiest hands when soldering and there's no GF3 mod on the net yet, I decided to stick to my current configuration: use the DVI output with a DVI->Sub-15 adapter. Anyway, the Sub-15 connector on my board doesn't work...

Oh, I'll download 3Dmarks2k1 today and maybe post a few screenies later this week...

BTW, for those still wondering, the shots posted are Bump-mapping enabled (it's the demo; the G400 version of expendable doesn't work with non-Matrox hardware...); It only shows that there's either a bug with the NEDs I'm using, or that the GF3 doesn't support EMBM...

Working like a small Ant, kissing like a squid, fragging like a king,
Francis Beausejour


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[frankymail]

I've just read Anandtech's article on the Kyro II, and god, I really wish the G800's got some HSR techniques...with a programmable T&L engine...!!! Anyone wanna trade a Kyro II for my GF3???

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[Toecutter]

SOLD...

As soon as the K-2 is out I`ll get one over to the Great White North...shite...I`ve been may-fishin` for brown trout 10 hour 4 wheel dirt-drive north of Chitoutimi...trust me...the damn gamewardens have gotten lost....out of food, battery power...had to feed the sonofabiches...

Damn cheese-heads...

Shippin` addy:...Los Angeles...the land of the January-sittin` by the pool-drunken-sunburns...when only the strippers(and Quebecois)attend the beach...and me of course...

Gimme!

Thanx Greebee...

BTW...how do those numbers compare to G-XXX generated numbers?
I`m a simnut(flightsims)...never would have even CONSIDERED to pollute my fine-honed gaming system with such...uhmmm...a...hmmm...thang...as Expandable...Quake...UT...ETC of the FPS crud.....

It`s...a...unthinkable...

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[frankymail]

Hi,

With a G2GTS, I was getting about 90 FPS;
With a Radeon, I was getting about 75 FPS;
With a G400, I was getting about 40-50 FPS...

The G4X0 3D speed is simply puny compared to other cards... Yesterday, I downloaded 3DMarks 2001; I tested the cards on a Celeron 600 @900 with 256 MB RAM; The G400 got 1200, the Radeon got 2100 and the GF3 got 3200; However, the G400 and Radeon were penalized because the could not run the Nature test and Point Sprite...

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[Toecutter]

Yup...that thang of your looks like a screamer Frankie...

Just done a preliminary run of 2K1...1700 on a MAX...I can prolly tweak out an other 50-100...than again...what`s the point ha?

I wanna buy somethin` NOW...BAAAAD...just wanna make sure it`s the right thing...

As I said somewhere else tho...that K2 is givin` me a 300$ US hardon...

[frankymail]

I have to agree with you; right now, if you want to buy a 3D card as fast or faster than a GF2Ultra and don't mind the lack of T&L, the Kyro II is the card for you!!! and for $150 US, it's even a better value than the GeForce 2 MX or the Radeon LE 32 MB DDR, price/performance wise...

BTW, I don't know what happenned, but I don't have to lower the core+mem speed of my GF3 to run D3D apps/games anymore; I've retested it on 3DMarks 2001 and got 4750 instead of 3200... (it's now running at 250 core/250DDR mem, where it was previously set @ 150 core/175 mem).

Nevertheless, I think I would recommend the Kyro II to every gamers out there. The only thing that tickles me is the 270 MHz RAMDAC... Any one's got a Kyro -ONE- out there??? How about the 2D quality at say 1600x1200@32bits???

Working like a small Ant, kissing like a squid , and fragging like a King,
Francis Beausejour

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