Partition Magic for 98/NT g200 Marvel NLE

[A_BIT]

I bought Partion Magic because I want to try NT 4 out on the same PC I'm running Win98 for NLE. I am hoping to get better performance and stability with NT. My expectation is that I will need to configure NT to be able to R/W Fat32 and that the process of capture/edit/print may require booting into both OSes.

I tried testing PM4 out on another PC first. I got NT and Win98 to boot up, but then, all of a sudden, NT would not boot up any more. It seems I will have to reinstall NT.

The questions is: Is anyone having success with this arrangement?

TIA


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Anthony

• Slot 1 Celeron 400, Asus P2B, 256MB PC-100
• AGP Marvel-TV 8MB
• Turtle Beach Montego PCI sound card (Y connector on audio out per Matrox tech support)
• C: IBM 10.1, 5400, Primary on 1, System, Swap, Software
• D: IBM 13.5, 5400, Primary on 2, Dedicated to video
• E: Memorex 48x CD, Secondary on 1
• F: Yamaha CD-RW 2x2x8, Secondary on 2
• Win98, FAT32 on C: & D:
• MediaStudio Pro 5.2

[DrMordrid]

Your problem is that NT4 requires the boot partition on a dualboot system (Win9x) to be FAT16. Otherwise it can't see the partition to boot.

Actually both the Win9x and NT partitions should be FAT16 and as such have to be <2 gigs. The NT partition can also be NTFS, but then you can't see if from Win9x if things go whacky. I prefer FAT16 for that reason.

I'd probably partition the drive 3 ways with the third partition for ancillary storage.

Don't you just love Microsoft about now?

To get NT4 to see your FAT32 capture drive you need to get Winternals FAT32 Filesystem for NT4. It's $39 USD at http://www.winternals.com . This is a very stable and excellent product.

Dr. Mordrid

[This message has been edited by DrMordrid (edited 19 November 1999).]

[A_BIT]

Sorry for the long post, but this is how my Drive is partioned on the test machine. I failed to mention that there is also a Win95 installed. Does this look OK?

PowerQuest PartitionInfo 2.0 -- Windows 95 Version
Date Generated: 11/18/99 19:20:17
Copyright (c)1994-1998, PowerQuest Corporation
Permission is granted for this utility to be freely copied so long
as it is not modified in any way. All other rights are reserved.

PowerQuest, makers of PartitionMagic(r), Drive Image(tm), and DriveCopy(tm), can be reached at:
Voice: 801-437-8900
Fax: 801-226-8941
Web site: http://support.powerquest.com/support.html
E-mail: magic@powerquest.com

General System Information:
Total Physical Memory (bytes): 133,595,136
Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 98,689,024
Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 1,509,457,920
Current Page File Size: (bytes): 41,238,528

================================================== ================================================== =======
Disk Geometry Information for Disk 1: 2055 Cylinders, 255 Heads, 63 Sectors/Track
System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl Head Sect StartSect NumSects
================================================== ================================================== =======
0 0 00 0 1 1 17 391 254 63 63 6,297,417
WIN 98 0 1 80 523 0 1 0B 782 254 63 8,401,995 4,176,900
WIN 95B 0 2 00 392 0 1 1B 522 254 63 6,297,480 2,104,515
0 3 00 783 0 1 0F 1023 254 63 12,578,895 20,434,680
Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
0 3 00 783 0 1 0F 2054 254 63 12578895 20434680
12,578,895 0 00 783 1 1 06 1023 254 63 12,578,958 4,176,837
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
12578895 0 00 783 1 1 06 1042 254 63 12578958 4176837
12,578,895 1 00 1023 0 1 05 1023 254 63 16,755,795 16,257,780
Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
12578895 1 00 1043 0 1 05 2054 254 63 16755795 16257780
16,755,795 0 00 1023 1 1 0B 1023 254 63 16,755,858 16,257,717
Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
16755795 0 00 1043 1 1 0B 2054 254 63 16755858 16257717

================================================== ================================================== =======
Partition Information for Disk 1: 16119.9 Megabytes
Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect TotalSects UsedSects FreeSects
================================================== ================================================== =======
*:WIN NT 4.0 Hidden NTFS Pri 3074.9 0 0 63 6,297,417 637,742 5,659,675
*:WIN 95B Hidden FAT32Pri 1027.6 0 2 6,297,480 2,104,515 401,536 1,702,979
C:WIN 98 FAT32 Pri,Boot 2039.5 0 1 8,401,995 4,176,900 1,318,842 2,858,058
ExtendedX Pri 9977.9 0 3 12,578,895 20,434,680 20,434,680 0
EPBR Log 2039.5 None -- 12,578,895 4,176,900 4,176,900 0
D: FAT16B Log 2039.5 12578895 0 12,578,958 4,176,837 128,388 4,048,449
EPBR Log 7938.4 12578895 1 16,755,795 16,257,780 16,257,780 0
E: FAT32 Log 7938.3 16755795 0 16,755,858 16,257,717 343,910 15,913,807


================================================== ================================================== =======
Boot Record for drive *: (Drive: 1, Starting Sector: 63, Type: NTFS)
================================================== ================================================== =======
1. Jump: EB 5B 90
2. OEM Name: NTFS
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 1
5. Reserved Sectors: 0
6. Number of FATs: 0
7. Root Dir Entries: 0
8. Total Sectors: 0
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT: 0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads: 255 (0xFF)
13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
14. Total Sectors (>32MB): 0 (0x0)
15. Unused: 0x80008000
16. Total NTFS Sectors: 6297416
17. MFT Start Cluster: 202659
18. MFT Mirror Start Clust: 3148708
19. Clusters per FRS: 2
20. Clusters per Index Blk: 8
21. Serial Number: 0x62406EE2406EBD03
22. Checksum: 0 (0x0)
23. Boot Signature: 0xAA55

================================================== ================================================== =======
Boot Record for drive *: (Drive: 1, Starting Sector: 6297480, Type: FAT32)
================================================== ================================================== =======
1. Jump: EB 58 90
2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 8
5. Reserved Sectors: 32
6. Number of FAT's: 2
7. Reserved: 0x0000
8. Reserved: 0x0000
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT: 0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads: 255 (0xFF)
13. Hidden Sectors: 6297480 (0x601788)
14. Big Total Sectors: 2104515 (0x201CC3)
15. Big Sectors per FAT: 2056
16. Extended Flags: 0000
17. FS Version: 0000
18. First Cluster of Root: 514 (0x202)
19. FS Info Sector: 1
20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
21. Reserved: F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6
22. Drive ID: 0x80
23. Reserved for NT: 0xF6
24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
25. Serial Number: 0x7042D652
26. Volume Name: WIN 95B
27. File System Type: FAT32
28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55

================================================== ================================================== =======
Boot Record for drive C: (Drive: 1, Starting Sector: 8401995, Type: FAT32)
================================================== ================================================== =======
1. Jump: EB 58 90
2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 8
5. Reserved Sectors: 32
6. Number of FAT's: 2
7. Reserved: 0x0000
8. Reserved: 0x0000
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT: 0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads: 255 (0xFF)
13. Hidden Sectors: 8401995 (0x80344B)
14. Big Total Sectors: 4176900 (0x3FBC04)
15. Big Sectors per FAT: 4073
16. Extended Flags: 0000
17. FS Version: 0000
18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2)
19. FS Info Sector: 1
20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
21. Reserved: F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6
22. Drive ID: 0x80
23. Reserved for NT: 0xF6
24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
25. Serial Number: 0x3821891F
26. Volume Name: WIN 98
27. File System Type: FAT32
28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55

================================================== ================================================== =======
Boot Record for drive D: (Drive: 1, Starting Sector: 12578958, Type: FAT)
================================================== ================================================== =======
1. Jump: EB 3C 90
2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.0
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 64
5. Reserved Sectors: 1
6. Number of FAT's: 2
7. Root Dir Entries: 1104
8. Total Sectors: 0 (0x0)
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT: 255
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads: 255 (0xFF)
13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
14. Big Total Sectors: 4176837 (0x3FBBC5)
15. Drive ID: 0x80
16. Dirty Flag: 0x0
17. Extended boot Sig: 0x29
18. Serial Number: 0x88E9EFD1
19. Volume Name:
20. File System Type: FAT16
21. Boot Signature: 0xAA55

================================================== ================================================== =======
Boot Record for drive E: (Drive: 1, Starting Sector: 16755858, Type: FAT32)
================================================== ================================================== =======
1. Jump: EB 3C 90
2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 8
5. Reserved Sectors: 32
6. Number of FAT's: 2
7. Reserved: 0x0000
8. Reserved: 0x0000
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT: 0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads: 255 (0xFF)
13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
14. Big Total Sectors: 16257717 (0xF812B5)
15. Big Sectors per FAT: 15847
16. Extended Flags: 0000
17. FS Version: 0000
18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2)
19. FS Info Sector: 1
20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
21. Reserved: F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6F6
22. Drive ID: 0x80
23. Reserved for NT: 0xF6
24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
25. Serial Number: 0x38230C23
26. Volume Name:
27. File System Type: FAT32
28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55

[Brian Ellis]

Anthony

1. I could not see it on your postings: which boot manager system are you using? I find Boot Magic is a little hairy.

2. You mention PM 4. Download v. 4.1 patch. I believe this addresses some NT4 problems.

3. I use dual booting (W98/Linux) on one computer, but I put the O/Ss on different drives. I believe that, if possible, it is better to have each O/S at the start of the first partition on a drive. Just a thought.

4. Doc, Yes my love affair is jaded. Actually, having been brought up on non-PC computers, it never really got off the ground.

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Brian (the terrible)

[DrMordrid]

I just did the PM 5.0 upgrade and it works great so far. Now all I have to do is set up a partition for Linux and....

Dr. Mordrid

[A_BIT]

I had all three OSes booting up fine with Boot Magic at first. I think the NT boot problem started when I changed the Boot Magic Icons for the OSes. I was in Win98, and I was showing a friend how "cool" PM is and how you can do the Soda Can thing with Boot Magic. Well, I guess changing the Icons caused BM to write to the boot record, and NT doesn't abide that. Just a suspicion.

When I get some time I would like to try Doc's suggestion to install NT in FAT16.

I'm using:
Partion Magic 4.01
Boot Magic 1.01

What will I get if I move to a newer version? I'm not interested in support for any OSes other than Win9x and NT4 at this time.

Also, can I get better rendering performance and stability with my G200 Marvel under NT4?

Thanks for your replies.

-Anthony

[NZF]

Just this Monday I tried the same in my PC. I had two primary Fat32 partitions with win98, and an extended partition with all my common files. So I used partition magic 4.0 to resize my primary partitions to make room for a third one with fat16 for NT.

Installation worked OK with no error messages, but when NT was ready for its first boot nothing happened. I spent all the day trying different setups and nothing worked. Then I moved my win98 partitions forward and setup the first one for NT and Voila! That was, NT needs to be the in the first partition to boot.

But I had one big problem: When moving my win 98 partitions PM 4.0 reported some strange error and cancelled the operation. In the next reboot that partition was garbage, all the data was lost. Scandisk reported no surface errors on the drive. I think it was some bug in PM 4, maybe version 4.1 is better. Partition magic 3 never gives me this kind of trouble, but it doesn’t support drives larger than 8 Gb.

Nicolas Zegers.