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  • RT2000, I was wrong

    I was at the ACF show in Brussels today, adn enjoyed an RT2000 demo at the Matrox booth. I asked the pants of of the demo guy, adn I got some more info. We tried to push the RT2000, and got some more nice stuff out of it. Keep in mind: the RT2000 comes from the Matrox Video Group. This is a seperate company within Matrox which already built the very successfull Digisuite range. So, they have nothing to do with the Rainbow Runner or Marvel Matrox editing solutions.

    Here we go:

    Well, first, I have to admit, I was wrong about the RT2000 not being able to do native DV RT effects. It can do this. All the provided RT effects can be applied to native DV video or MPEG2 video. You just choose your edit mode at startup: MPEG2 or DV. You cannot mix them.

    This was an RT2000 card. Not a hidden DTV card. I saw the back of the PC, and the startup after the reboot. The card has 2 6 pin Firewire connectors at the back, a connector to the G400 and a connector to the breakout box with the analog connections. The card was stil an alpha version, and is being updated and reworked constantly. If the rumoured (Gary Bettan - Videoguys) 1 December release date will be possible was unkwon. At this time, DV Firewire machine control was not available, but should be when released.

    To provide the analogue output, the second output of the G400 card is being used. This means that you cannot have a dual monitor setup from the RT2000's G400 card. The second output of the G400 is routed in the RT2000 card and this is ouptut to the breakout box. It should be able to have an additional PCI graphics card to drive a second VGA monitor and give you a dual montitor setup. But this was not tested by Matrox as of yet. The demo system was a plain PIII 600/128MB RAM/54GB Fasttrak 66 system on an Asus P2B-L motherboard with an IDE bootdisk.

    Effects: as already known, these are only visible in RT on the analogue video monitor. Output to any analog system (VHS, Hi8, SVHS, BetaSP with YC) is in real time, with real time effects. Outputting to DV requiers you to render the effects parts, at 1.5 - 3X real time. Normally, you can have 2 video tracks with transition and a title fading in and out over them in RT. What we tried, and it worked, was to have 2 videotracks with a cross dissolve between them, and over that, and over the real time cross dissolve, a title that was coming in with a page peel as a fileter, and going out as a page peel. All that in real time. But that's all you can do. Adding a fade in to that page peel in effect, coloured the Premiere preview line red, indicating we needed to render. allways remeber: only the Matrox specific effects are real time, the Premiere defaults are not! The Prmeiere cross dissolve is replaced by a Matrox real time one, the other effects are available from 3 effects in the Premiere transitions palette: 3D Effects (page peels, tumbles, ...), 2D Effects (PIP's, squeezes and pushes) and (organic) wipes.

    The effects were not keyframable. You cannot save them if you adjusted shadows or colours. You can only use the 'paste special' command of Premiere to copy and past a filter or effect from one place in the timeline or clip to another, in the same timeline and project. The only things that can be adjusted are the softness, colour and width of the shadows and borders. If/Or/When there would ever be keyframable effects remains to be seen. It could happen, it could not. Keywords here: could, should, might ... They don't want to burden Digisuite DTV sales.

    Pricing in Belgium is 64990 BEF VAT incl., that's about 1700 USD. Release date: not known.

    There you have it. That's where Matrox stands at this time. The rep. demoing seeme dto know that Matrox is working on a software DV codec to allow for real time, no rendering Firewire output. But this will only work on very stable, dedicated PC's. No date know, even not known if this will ever come out. But they are working on it.

    So, again, sorry for the misunderstanding. I pointed the rep. to the C-Cube site, and he didn't know either how it's done.

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    Jan De Wever - Leuven, Belgium
    Anyvision Media Services
    Jan De Wever - Leuven, Belgium
    Anyvision Media Services

  • #2
    Hi Jan,

    You beat me to it, I'm still trying to get my head round it all and my pen to paper.

    It's a cool piece of kit isn't it ? A couple of things I can tell you without spoiling the whole analysis. Release will be sometime in December. This is dependent on drivers, although the ones that I saw yesterday were solid. The Matrox marketing rep that I talked to mentioned 2-4 weeks and when pushed confirmed that December was the aim. The supplied G400 unit will be a 32Mb regular (not Max) unit. The limitation to TV monitor instead of regular dual-head is down to the inclusion of a Marvel style BOB. Because of the design of the showstand I wasn't able to examine the back of the PC to check on the RT2K configuration, so your observations confirm what I was already thinking.

    I'm glad that you enjoyed your preview and that it setted some of your doubts.

    Cheers

    Chris

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    • #3

      The simple reason why the RT-2000 can do all this funky stuff in "real
      time" is because it's twinned with the G400 - which is after all, a
      piece of hardware to do seriously fast 2D and 3D image manipulation,
      and programmable too (to some extent), so all you do is directly pipe
      over you video stream with some effects instructions and data and the
      G400 graphics engine handles the rest - doesn't involve the OS at
      all. Since the Pinnacle thing isn't twinned, to do the same it would
      have to pipe the video data down the PCI bus, and through some
      software layers of DirectX etc (providing such features are supported
      anyway), which would obviously slow things down quite a bit.

      On the other hand, with the Pinnacle thing, you can just change your
      graphics card or the video card itself, (and pray some minor bug in
      drivers or whatever doesn't cause some incompatability), but with the
      RT-2000 it would naturally be harder because they are tied together -
      meaning you either sacrifice speed/functionality (for future versions)
      or backwards compatability/upgrades (which'll also be a real small
      market). TI/Chris'll have more to say about this...

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      • #4
        Jan confirmed what I have assumed, thanks for the update. What this means to me is that the RT2K has enormous potential for certain, corporate, event and media type producers...exactly what Matrox advertises, however, it has very limited flexibility for folks that want to venture outside the canned transitions and effects. I have heard that, in time, (yawn) additional effects may be available through 3rd party vendors. I also like that it operates in Win 98 with DirectX and other media applications.I will, however, first pursue a keyframable NT REAL RT setup, which means a dual processing NT system. I will keep my win98 computer and consider the RT2K to augment an NT setup.

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        • #5
          Jan,

          Thanks for info.

          Questions.
          I am not asking HOW it does, but:

          1. Is it possible to feed RT2000 with two DV streams via two firewire inputs , make effect and output analog video stream, all in realtime?

          2. Is it possible to make the card read two DV streams from PC drive(s), do transition and output analog in realtime? System requirements?

          3. Is it possible a)to make the card read two DV streams, either from drive or from firewire, b) make G400 accelerated transitions and produce mpeg2 stream, all in realtime or X*realtime? c) What is X value?

          4. Is it possible to feed one DV and one mpeg2 stream and still use realtime transitions, realtime or near realtime?


          Grigory

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          • #6
            YEAH you know I have questions tooo,

            can it cook and clean, drive me to work everyday? can it type my documents then print them.

            Regards,
            Elie

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            • #7
              Now you are getting silly. Do you seriously expect it to be able to print documents?

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              • #8
                As far as upgrading the display adapter I don't think this will be much of a problem.

                Given that Matrox would want to continue the RT2K family past the current generation of display cards, I would think at least ONE model of the next generation of display adapters (or more) would have the essential connections to provide upgraded funtionality.

                Such an arrangement, if provided, would be much more stable than assuming a 3rd party display adapter would work with some other companies codec card from generation to generation.

                As for limited effects, it's strongly hinted in the RT2000 site that there will be support for custom effects:

                "The fact that Flex 3D is fully programmable means that additional effects can be added via supplementary software. An unlimited variety of brand new effects, that have never been seen before, can be developed."

                "In the future, additional effects libraries that could include 3D warps, water reflection, wave, emboss, and zoom will be available over the Internet."

                Sounds like someone who knows their way around a 3D mesh & rendering program can make their own effects.

                Dr. Mordrid



                [This message has been edited by DrMordrid (edited 19 November 1999).]

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                • #9
                  I'd love to do that-- but where do you get the SDK? How much does it cost? And for that matter, where do you get an SDK for MediaStudio?

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                  • #10
                    For Matrox beta-testers:

                    I am not asking about anything very different from video-editing tasks.
                    There were several simple questions, summarized as : What is on card input, and what is on output?

                    I assume I can get yes/no from somebody who knows.
                    RT2000 printing ability is of course its main feature: at 2000 DPI with photographic color quality on turned OFF B/W network printer.

                    This is the only reason I am asking some other questions. I am quite satisfied with printing quality.

                    Grigory

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                    • #11
                      Again, if this question has been asked, I appreciate the patience of anyone who is willing to answer the same question again:

                      From the look of it, the RT2K is for pro-sumer/professional work, but heck, a dedicated NLE video station with a G400 should certainly have enough firepower to run Quake 3, Unreal Tournament and Half-Life.

                      So does the G400 used with the RT2K lack
                      anything found in the G400Max, other than Dual-monitor support? Are there any substantial differences? Should I ask this on the MURC gamer's forum?

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                      K62-300, 96MegRAM, FastTrack IDE RAID (14GIG), Marvel G200, TRV-310 (real soon now)

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                      • #12
                        JerryH

                        The RT2K will be supplied with a REGULAR G400 (not Max) with 32Mb of onboard RAM.

                        I guess that you will need to consult one of the tables from the MURC to work out how this affects your gaming performance.

                        Ant, can you comment on this ?

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                        • #13
                          The RT's G400 hardware will have all the same features and performance of the Millennium G400's as it has exactly the same chip at its core.

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                          • #14
                            A potato chip.

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                            • #15
                              What about buying just the RT2k and using it with an already existing G400 card (or even G400MAX card)?

                              That would be awefully nice of Matrox to allow for this upgrade option.

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                              P2c-300a/450, 192MB PC125 SDRAM, Quantum Fireball Plus KA 18.2GB 7200rpm, Panasonic 7502B x4/x8 Ultra SCSI CD-R, Tekram DC-390U2W Ultra2Wide SCSI controller, Diamond MX300 (Vortex2), Creative Labs AWE64 Gold Sound Blaster, A-Trend Voodoo II 12MB, Matrox Millennium G400Max, 19" Hitachi SuperScan 752, Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel and some other fancy stuff

                              P2c-300a/450, 256MB PC125 SDRAM, Quantum Fireball Plus KA 18.2GB 7200rpm, Panasonic 7502B x4/x8 Ultra SCSI CD-R, Tekram DC-390U2W Ultra2Wide SCSI controller, Diamond MX300 (Vortex2), Matrox Millennium G400Max, 19" Hitachi SuperScan 752, Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel and some other fancy stuff

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