best tv tuner card for the g400?

[dZeus]

http://www.pcremotecontrol.com/

allows you to program the remote for any application

[Technoid]

Thanx!

[Flying dutchman]

Maybe a dumb question, but if you want to playback interlaced full-res video on a G400 (whish uses field order B), isn't it mandatory that you use a capturing card that uses field order B as well?

Otherwise, you would have to do some awkward field order changing stuff for the result to come out OK ?

[KwOkOMoLe!!!]

Is the Conexant 878a chipset available for the HDTV and DTV line? I currently have the older chip for my Wintv-D and was wondering if the quality affects digital.

[Technoid]

Welll....

The 878A is much better than the old one

and it works with wathever GFX card....

My RRG (who never wanted to work with my G400) will be shelfed

And I might be able to do some editing and also have a usable backup gaming rig when my brother visits

[LC1104]

i am really curious as to the differences in the 878a chip to the 878 chip. i ask this only because i currently use a wintv with the 878 chip and was considering upgrading to the 878a chip but i have no clue what advantages this will have. one problem i have is that no matter what settings i use, some channels are just overly bright and washed out on other channels. will an 878a chip solve my problem or is that just my signal? thanks

[miya]

FD:

I don't think that the g400 cares about field order on playback. The Marvel and RR use field order B on capture, sure, but I believe that is not at all related to the playback capabilities. I have played back all manner of interlaced material through my g400 and have never seen an interlacing related artifact (except when 'use field based scaling' is altogether off.)




878A?

A question for those who are pushing the 878A as opposed to the 878: have you actually owned and used both or is this just hearsay? I have yet to see any actual reasons stated for the 878As superiority. I say this because I am a very, very happy owner of an 878 non-A board and it has performed flawlessly for me, especially considering it's $19.95 price tag (and that was brand new.) My experiences with this card have been far more positive than the time I spent with my Marvel and the RRS that preceded it.

[Technoid]

Yes, as I posted erlier, I tried a Capture cards with a bt878 (and I have erlier tried one with a 848) chip when I was begining to grow agaitated by the inability of my RRG to work flawlesly with my G400.

One card had blue and yellow stripes at a 45 degree angle all over the picture

Another was so blurry that I thought that I needed new glasses....

and I won't even discuss the third board

So I continued to use my RRG in conjunction with my older G200 card

[flagg_xxx]

tuner

HI

Andrew wrote that:

For capturing, I use AVI_IO. It works like a champ.

http://www.nct.ch/multimedia/avi_io/

For TV Viewing, I use DScaler. It is a great program capable of deinterlacing on the fly.

http://deinterlace.sourceforge.net/

If you want TV scheduled recording, take a look at ShowShifter and WinVCR. Here are the links:

http://www.showshifter.com/

http://www.cinax.com/Products/winvcr.html

You have to buy another card (tv tuner card???) but can you use simply the Matrox g400 Marvel to watch TV and capture stuff from TV (that's what I do...)

[magician]

Originally posted by Technoid
I have know aquired a Pinnacle PCTV with a Conexant 878a chip!

I will test Quality, stability etc, etc,

And ....? What about that capture quality comparation?

[Flying dutchman]

@Miya:
I disagree. The Marvel outputs video "lowermost field first". Always.
If the source is interlaced video (576 or 480 pixels vertical resolution), the result is output that way. The Marvel doesn't know if the source material was also captured this way because "field order" is nowhere stored in an AVI file.
The whole concept of "fields" is nonexistent in AVI files.
In the AVI file only "frames" are stored, the playback device decides if it wants to decompose the frame into two (or more) fields or not and which field is output first.

If the video clip was captured "top field first", the result comes out wrong on the Marvel and is horribly jumpy.

So I repeat my question, also to the others who view this thread: If I capture video full-frame (interlaced) with a TV tuner card such as the Hauppauge WinTV series, does the field order match that of the Marvel? Or can you set the field order in the driver?

[miya]

well, I wasn't refering to the Marvel, I was refering to my G400MAX. The Marvel, at least my g200, very much cares about field order on playback. Your question mentioned a G400 for playback. Mine plays back clips of both field orders through its tv-out with no jumpiness. As I stated, the only problems occur when field based playback is turned off altogether.

[Flying dutchman]

@Miya:

Hmmm. Are we talking about AVI or MPG files here? Given the fact that Avi's contain no info about field order, I am beginning to suspect that the G400max only uses one of the two fields, thus halving the vertical resolution?

My question is purely out of interest. It's about time Matrox start worrying about their lack of 3-d capacity: Some day not far in the future, I may want to replace my Marvel G200 with a faster 3-d card with video-out plus a WinTV for capturing. I have kept it only because it captures so well (after an Odyssee of driver tweaking...)

[miya]

avi (divx, mjpeg), mpeg (svcd, dvd), quicktime, OMFI (avid)