Premiere 7.0 Rumors

[Ray Austin]

Anybody got something to share about this???


Adobe has to be working on something with MSP7 busting thru the doors.... hmmm I wonder just how much Adobe is going to fight back.

5 RT Video tracks... plus 10 title tracks in RT. Adobe After Effects included in the package along with Photoshop.... as well as a New 3D effects package. Totally stable and blazing fast background renders as well as a smart function that when you change something on the timeline you don't have to re-render the whole thing. "ouch, sometimes it hurts to dream."

D@mn, maybe I should work for Adobe to help them out.

If the Above were true, [please don't laugh] How fast would the product fly off the shelves???

[Dr Mordrid]

Just 5 RT tracks? I do more than that in MSP7 on a light day

Dr. Mordrid

[Jerry Jones]

Actually, it would not surprise me if Adobe were to bundle After Effects and Photoshop with Premiere...

...because Adobe already faces the prospect of having to 'give away' software to fend off the inevitable ULEAD tidal wave...

As any software analyst will tell you, the companies that will WIN are the companies that offer the EASE-OF-USE advantage.

In that respect, ULEAD has the momentum in the content creation software category.

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[paulw]

If the MPEG2 capabilaties of MSPRO 7 are as good as VS7 then I think the tidal wave is close to Adobe's shore..

[Peter B]

I wish it were true, but they way I understand it, the biggest barrier to changing products is the learning curve of a new interface and methods that scares off most people.

There are many superior software packages out there in many application types but often they struggle because of the large userbase of the first off the block, or the first to be well established. OK M$ is the exception, but with Excel, Word and IE etc to rule they had to be virtually given away before killing the orginal market leaders.

Even if MSP is three jumps ahead of Premiere, they will probably still be dominated by Adobe, just by weight of existing users. A good example is Quark, there are a least two signficantly superior products (so I believe, don't use any myself) yet they are struggling while Quark has been up to 12 months behind on updates etc yet retains 90+% of it's user base.

I could be wrong, but hasn't the feature of set of MSP been ahead of Premiere for the last two years? If you include the bundled features it always has been ahead. I came across my orginal MSP 2.5 disk the other day, I haven't re-installed it but from memory it was a bundle then.

I don't think Adobe will bundle much more with Premiere as they probabaly don't need to! Still I haven't seen any "market share" figures for NLE recently, maybe MSP has been making ground. However, with the proliferation of RT cards that all seem to come with Premiere I doubt it. Actually I would probabaly be dubious about market share figures if I saw them anyway, unless I knew how they where calculated. I find software companies have a bit of a "one eyed" view of such things (Canopus anyone?).

[Kris1]

Dazzle-ing idea perhaps ?

I've heard these rumours too.

Looking at the (lack of) progress done on the Premiere functionality since 5.0 (the CORE program I mean) , I for one see these rumours as _just that_.

On the other hand, looking at the way Adobe solves problems in terms of lack of features (by buying/bundling software together with a new Premiere release), maybe the answer again is a "old core + new add-on" as Peter suggested.

The stream of "software RT NLE" developments and announcements/rumours of late is such that I don't think Adobe will risk beeing left behind. Also, the love between Adobe and firms like Pinnacle and Canopus has lessened substantially, as both companies are working (or already have) inhouse replacement software for the previously defacto standard hard+soft bundle. That will mean less guaranteed income for Adobe, and as such could prove to be an incentive to at least not to ignore the way the market is developing now.

Dazzle had a product under development which acted as a Premiere Plugin ("Realtime Producer": it was announced just before Photokina, but except for a copied flyer I never got more info on it 'xcept the Canopus-like standard Hiro-answer of "by the end of the year".
Anyway, the specs of this product look VERY much identical to these rumours.

IF this is the way P7.0 will present itself, I doubt very much it could withstand MSP7.0's challenge based upon what I've been reading, at least from the technical point of view. If that's enough to persuade a user who's been doing his stuff on Premiere for years now, is of course an entirely different matter. Not meaning to doubt any reports by the beta users of MSP7.0 on this forum, I'll reserve my opinion on this till I acutally have used the program myself.

Funny how things are starting to stirr again now. MSP7.0 , rumours on P7.0 and Canopus' anouncment "Edius". Exciting days are ahead, that's for sure.

PS : off-topic, but I'd like to know if one of the MSP7.0 beta testers can tell me if the Matrox Dual head cards are the ONLY dualhead cards that let a user do the RT-analogue out feature of MSP. Any insight in the usability of an ATI or Nvidia ?

Take Care,

[JackHu]

Kris,

MSP7 support ATI as well.

Ulead still have a couple of bugs with nVidia, but RD are working on the problem.

[Kris1]

WOW.

Holly COW.

I can see why the Beta Gang holds you in such high regards, Jack. Thank you very much for your quick and open reply. I'm really looking forward to putting this product through its paces.

Your response is *Highly Appriciated !*, and quite refreshing as such.

Best Wishes,
Kris

[Ray Austin]

Adobe must be really tight lipped about what they are working on this time.

I know before the 6.5 release there were many rumors that Adobe was going to be the king of the hill and no one would touch them.

Then 6.5 was released.... what a let down. I mean it's good for what it can do, but it's no major release like MSP7.

I really hope Adobe wakes up and just doesn't play the same old ketchup release.

It's seems with each new release Adobe gets farther and farther behind. And the statement that Adobe probably has to do nothing? Well I don't know about that one. There are many users out there that are frustrated with Adobe. I am NOT one of them on most days, but somedays aren't as sunny as others.

If we got Affter Effects and Photoshop included in the next release, I think I could forgive them for the 5.0 release and all the bugs as well as the inconsistencies with 6.0 and 6.5.

If the 7.0 release from adobe is lackluster or doesn't turn up soon, I may move and learn some new software.

[Ray Austin]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
Just 5 RT tracks? I do more than that in MSP7 on a light day

Dr. Mordrid

Correct me if I am wrong.... I thought MSP7 was limited to 3video and 2Graphic depending on the speed of the computer.

The post I made was 5RT video tracks and 10RT graphics or title tracks.

[DJ]

Hey Kris 1, Welcome to MURC!

DJ

[Kris1]

HA !

Thanks DJ. It's been LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ago that I last posted here. So long even, I couldn't remember my original login from days of old. (RRS+ RRG days). Last time I posted here, Matrox was beeing very hush-hush about something called "Marvel-Pro", so that's already a couple of years ago.

I still kept reading this forum on a daily basis though, but there wasn't much, if anything, I had to add.

Ray : well it depends if you're into this for the fun or the money, I don't know on what basis you use your NLE system. Personally, I've used about everything except Edition (tried it, tried it again, tried even harder and decided I must be too stupid for it. ). Other than that, I must say I quite look forward to try "yet another" NLE, though I started out with MSP2.5 if memory serves me.

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by Ray Austin
Correct me if I am wrong.... I thought MSP7 was limited to 3video and 2Graphic depending on the speed of the computer.

Wrong. It can do more than that and the faster the system the more it can do.

Just to show you what I mean, this stack is one I used for testing and shows what can be exported to analog (Parhelia DVDMAX) in realtime with an AthlonXP 2000+ TBred;

2 DV type1 video clips (Va & Vb)

1 video crossfade (longish at 4 seconds for testing purposes)

1 audio crossfade (at the end to see if it would trip things up)

2 DV type1 overlay clips (V1 & V2; no audio) + chromakeys

2 images (V3 & V4) + 2D moving paths (720x480 *.tga's w/transparancy alpha channeled and scaled to 240x160; one moving straight across and the other diagonally)



I count 4 video layers, 2 graphic layers and multiple effects. Not too shabby in my book.

It will do many more given more CPU horsepower and enough PCI bandwidth from the mainboard. I don't recommend VIA for their lack of PCI bandwidth. Intel, SiS, nForce or 100% AMD chipped systems (no VIA southbridge) should be fine.

It does, however, take more horsepower to do deep realtime stacks to IEEE-1394, but this is the case with many realtime boards as well.

This stack would take either a P4 2.4 or faster (because of SSE2 and the RT engines surpport for it), an AthlonXP of ~2400-2600 ish or dual AthlonXP's with a slower clock.

Dr. Mordrid

[Kris1]

"..or 100% AMD chipped systems..."

... MPX could be iffy, no ? I mean, keeping in mind recent PCI bandwidth reports.

[Dr Mordrid]

Yup, I read those AMD 760 MPX reports too and it could well be a problem for realtime systems.

BTW: after posting that I added more layers on the AthlonXP 2000+ TBred system just for kicks. Here's what's in there now;

2 DV type1 video clips (Va & Vb)

1 video crossfade (longish at 4 seconds for testing purposes)

1 audio crossfade (at the end to see if it would trip things up)

2 DV type1 overlay clips (V1 & V2; no audio) + chromakeys + fade-in/fade-outs

2 largish animated "bugs" (V3 & V4). One is a 720x480 image sequence alpha channeled and scaled to 300x200 placed in the frames lower left corner. The other is a 300x200 32 bit *.avi alpha channeled to the opposite lower corner. Both done in Cool3D Studio.

2 images (V5 & V6) + 2D moving paths (720x480 *.tga's w/transparancy alpha channeled and scaled to 240x160; one moving straight across and the other diagonally)




2 extra video layers plus their effects plus two fade-in/fade-out's and it still plays in realtime to DVDMAX.

Dr. Mordrid