OT: Pictures of Weapons of Mass Destruction

[Hulk]

Chief,

We have some different opinions, I can accept that.

1. Violating 1 resultion and violating a surrender after invading another country, killing your own people, etc... are different in my mind. Yes, we may go to war over 1441 but, the past 12 and the years prior are also part of that equation. It would be naive not to consider Saddam's history of behavior.

2. No, I agree you are not here to win an argument! That is self-evident! Sorry, just kidding!

3. I am more worried about the reaction of the Arabs in the country we are liberating than the surrounding ones, since the Iraqi's will be most affected by the action.

4. The quote about the US already owning the world was not mine. I still think that "line" is ridiculous.

5. I'm not sure about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Both sides are involved in a terrible action. I do think that the Arab world is more on the Palestine side than the Israeli side. I remember hearing Saddam actually pays the families of homocide bombers! I don't know if that's true, I hope not, but if it is, that's is definitely an Arab state taking a side in a BIG way! The again, it's terrible what is happening to the Palestinians. That is a conflict that started after WWII and I have to admit I don't know all of the details. Until I learn more I can't make an educated opinion on that one.

-Mark

[Chief_Inspector]

Mark,

1 - Saddam should get his nuts cut off with a blunt knife and have salt poured all over him. I'm only bringing up the Israel/Palestine thing becuase this is what the radicals and tree hugging peace niks are preaching and they are the ones that are combining these 2 issues as being once issue.

2 - Cool.

3 - I seriously doubt you will have a negative reaction from them.

4 - I know it's silly. I brought this up becuase it was brought up yesterday on CNN. I'm just waiting for the conspiracy theorists to feed on that

5 - According to one of the King's in Saudi, Saddam does pay to the families of the suicide bombers.

Since Palestine doesn't really have any kind of arsenal, there's not much they can do to defend themselves other than suicides.

CI

[Ted222]

"Since Palestine doesn't really have any kind of arsenal, there's not much they can do to defend themselves other than suicides."

Actually, I believe there are plenty of people in Plaestine that know they can gain much more Politically than with suicides..but then, the current regime would lose much of its god-like power over the people. The whole world is a "contamination" to them, that should be stomped out before their people are currupted by the modern society of the world.

(keep in mind my low IQ here)

Ted

[Chief_Inspector]

Totally agree. Arrafat is another one that has to go. How he even got the pulitzer is beyond me.

However, Sharon is not the most innocent either. Apparently, he is being investigated for war crimes.

On the other hand, if all the Arab countries really cared about Palestine, they would have jumped in a long time ago and annihilated Israel. Either there's a political reason why this hasn't happened or all this talk about arab brother's sticking together and defending each other is full of it.

CI

[Ted222]

No way for Israel to stay alive and stay totally clean too. They need to fight dirty...I bet we would do a whole lot more if we had suicide bombers on our border. Seems like the world kinda turns a blind eye to Israel's problems in a realistic sense.

Ted

[Ray Austin]

Originally posted by Chief_Inspector
"As far as our plans to rule the world.... hahaha... we practically do already where have you been???"

There are enough non americans on this board who are thinking the same as what I'm thinking about your statement., so I'll just bite my lip.

"The Israel situation, is different in that they have enemies on all sides of them. The USA will always protect the underdog."

Palestine is the underdog to Israel. Oh let me guess, every single Arab nation is secretly helping Palestine to fight Israel, that's why you think Israel is the underdog eventhough 1 side throws rocks and the other steam rolls over the people.

CI

Well the first statement was intended as a joke, which is why I had the little thingy after it. But seriously, the USA is looking for help, we are not intending to do this on our own. The only reason it looks like we are dominating the world is because we are everywhere dealing with the problems of the world.

A side from Bush we are not an arrogant country as we have been made out to be. We are an open armed country that treat people with love and respect. But don't tread on us, or we become your worst enemy. We want diplomacy in every nation and more often than not, we give everyone the benefit of the doubt. [More often than not this is a mistake that we pay for over and over again.]

The Palestine issue would be so much different if they weren't using suicide bombers to deal with the situation. That is not the correct method and will never be looked at by the USA as being right especially after 9-11. Terror methods will NEVER help a nation, country or what ever gain favor by the USA. It doesn't matter if they are the underdogs or not against Israel. Terror is not the answer.

How long has the USA been trying to hammer out peace deals in that region??? As long as I can remember. It seems to me the other countries over there just ignore the situation.

The USA foots the bill for this stuff all the time and then we get blamed for the situation. It's all to easy to complain and do nothing.

Gee how many countries do that??? Or it's what can you do for me? do this or give me this then I will help. What's wrong with that picture???

[Hulk]

There is a definite line between fighting back and terrorism. I don't know exactly where it is, but I would say that if the act occurs in the country of the oppressed, by a people being occupied by a conquering force, it's more like fighting back.

Applying this crude "standard"

9/11 - Terrorism
French resistance - Fighting back
Palestineans - Tricky one based on my standard. You decide. Were they "conquered" by the post WWII agreement, or was it bad negociating? Are they occupied or occupying? Do the assaults occur on Israeli soil, or is it their soil too? I'm really not sure about the answers to these questions.

[Chief_Inspector]

"Well the first statement was intended as a joke, "

Sorry for jumping the gun.

"Were they "conquered" by the post WWII agreement, or was it bad negociating? "

I personally don't know. I have heard and read from various sources that Palestine was allready an established state and after WWII, Britain decided to move the Jews out of Europe. I don't know what kind of negotiating came about but the Britain ended up moving the Jews to a section of Palestine and it was called Israel. Later on in the years, the borders of Israel grew.

If this is true, then it's all Ant's fault

CI