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**Kacho** · 10 July 2003, 15:15

Hi!
As I see U want more possibility for post-production not simple editing. So the most important is the soft. Of course the station is better to be as powerful as possible but I don't thing that on a really good configuration U could do miracles with Premiere only.
Actually there are many other applications that do much more.
In the TV I work we use bundeled soft for simple editing. At home I use Vegas Video (very easy & fast editing) & for post-production one of the best is After FX. With all the plug-ins it qiute has no limits.

**Dr Mordrid** · 10 July 2003, 15:57

For such work Adobe After Effects or Boris RED is the ticket.

AE is cheaper but RED has features you'd pay extra for in AE, plus RED can run AE plugins. The output of AE can be loaded into MSPro or Premiere for final assembly and RED can be had as an MSPro plugin.

Premiere Pro is powerful, but it too needs a program like AE or RED to do complex effects. Trust me

Dr. Mordrid

**Jerry Jones** · 10 July 2003, 21:57

My advice is to wait, if at all possible.

Wait for the new Athlon 64 systems and 64-bit Windows.

That's what I'm waiting for.

I won't be upgrading anything until that happens.

Terry is right about Boris.

I'm running BorisFX 6.1.2 in MediaStudio Pro 7.0.

Great compositing plug-in!

By the way, I use Ulead Video Paint all the time - and it's not crashing on my systems.

System #1:

Asus A7N266 motherboard
1gb PC 2100 DDR memory
AMD Athlon XP2000+ @ 1.67ghz

System #2

Asus A7N8X
1gb PC2100 DDR
AMD Athlon XP2200+ @ 2.0ghz

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

**Dr Mordrid** · 10 July 2003, 22:06

Yes, BorisFX is an excellent and very viable alternative to RED or AE and also can run AE plugins.

I'd check the feature sets and see if they meet your needs. Most likely either BorisFX or RED will.

One thing you have to watch out for with Video Paint is where it is storing its temporary and virtual memory files. If they're on C:\ it can crash Video Paint if these files fill the drive, thereby chokeing out the Windows swapfile.

Move them to another location (a folder on the video drive is best) and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble. Do this in Video Paint/File/Preferences.

Dr. Mordrid

**Brian Ellis** · 10 July 2003, 23:49

Jerry

Are you really sure you are being wise waiting for 64 bit? The apparent trend for video editing is towards Pentium. MSP and now APP are both oriented in this direction and I can foresee others following.

**Kacho** · 11 July 2003, 08:55

I've red that for 64-bit systems there's no at the moment a reliable OS. Until now I've tried a DELL Workstation with dual Xeon & I can say it's really OK. It was very stable & the performance was much higher than Athlon (again dual). Athlon was better only with some 3DSMax scenes but video editing & MAYA or SofImage - Xeon.
I'm very curious what the 64-bit Intel processor will be

**Brian Ellis** · 11 July 2003, 09:00

Kacho

Intel already have a 64 bit CPU for servers -- at a price! According to the latest information, it would seem unlikely that they will have its 64 bit workstation CPU, such as to replace the Pentium or any successors, before 2010, although they have the technology ready. This is a policy decision.

**Dr Mordrid** · 11 July 2003, 10:02

The moves in R&D that will effect video come in several flavors: PCI Express, 64 bit processing, MRAM and the use of >2 CPU's being some of the majors.

All of this will drive ever more advanced realtime solutions because of the higher bandwidth in all directions.

Dr. Mordrid

**fberger** · 11 July 2003, 18:28

Thanks you for your advice, I'll look into those products. I've never tried them before. It sounds like software is what I need, there's no special card that will produce those effects.
Waiting for a 64 bit platform is not an option I am afraid. I also think that optimizations done thus far for the P4 architecture provide the best bang for the buck. It will take time for the next gen 64 bit to be ready and reliable. I am looking for a reliable system that I can purchase for work today, and not a system to play with at home. I had a deadline on this project and missed it because I relied on MSPro7 and thought I could make it work. Because of this we ended up giving the 2 minute video segment to a video studio and will pay $2,000 to rework it.

Jerry and Dr. Mordrid: I must be doing something wrong in VPaint, because it's doing the exact same thing on my new system (P4 with 1 Gb of RAM) as it did with my Athlon 2000+ with 512 Mb of RAM. I've set the memory management parameters according to Doc in this and another thread, but it does not make any difference. VPaint never uses them anyways. It seems to be able to use RAM only for the type of processing I am doing, so it is limited to 1 GB. The more I work the more I can see memory usage increase in Windows task manager, until it goes too low and VPaint crashes. It's as if I am filling the Windows Clipboard or something similar. At no point does it create any file on the partition/folder specified under "Memory Preferences". Very weird.
I've requested tech support from Ulead but got no help. Could it be the fact that I am editing a .wmv compressed file? I'll try to convert it to avi DV and see if it makes any difference. VPaint does not complain when I open it though.

Again, thanks for your advice!

Fred

**fberger** · 12 July 2003, 07:14

Update

In regards to VPaint crashing, my last guess was right. I had to decompress the video in order for VPaint to work. Who would have known? VPaint gladly accepts it when I open it, but just can't handle it after that. The manual never mentions that compressed video is not recommended.
I used Video Editor and converted my 28 MB WMV compressed file to "uncompressed", about 4 GB.
The other advantage, apart from actually being able to work without crashing, is that the speed is much better. It's now a pleasure to apply filter, etc...

Fred

**Jerry Jones** · 15 July 2003, 09:09

To Brian:

Yes - Brian - the 64-bit Windows will be my next operating system.

Yes - Brian - the AMD Opteron (64-bit) processor will be my next processor.

Microsoft, in April, announced the new 64-bit version of Windows will be released in beta form by mid-year (now):

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/Apr03/04-09AthlonOpteronPR.asp

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net