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**Dr Mordrid** · 22 July 2003, 01:13

Using Ulead programs is like being part of a continuing education program; you're always learning about some feature or trick that isn't in the manual

Dr. Mordrid

**wkulecz** · 22 July 2003, 05:41

If you aren't going to edit what you record might as well record straight to DVD+/-R and save a whole bunch of time and trouble!

I'm still waiting for confirmation that that MSP7 will actually smartrender DVD-VR recordings with AC3 audio after editing before I jump in.

--wally.

**Jerry Jones** · 22 July 2003, 08:29

Wally wrote:

"If you aren't going to edit what you record you might as well record straight to DVD+R or DVD-R and save a whole bunch of time."

Wally,

The Panasonic player/recorders already *save time* because they record in real-time to a very high quality MPEG-2.

In addition, cuts-only *editing* can be performed using the player/recorder - itself - on DVD-RAM media prior to burning a final disc.

One can either use the machine to record to DVD-R.

Or one can choose to take advantage of Ulead software to burn to DVD-R with much nicer menus than are possible using the machine.

This is the great advantage of recording to DVD-RAM - the high quality MPEG recorded to these discs can be recorded very quickly and edited very quickly.

As for your question about Ulead MediaStudio Pro's Smart Render feature:

YES, YES, YES!

I just verified that it works BEAUTIFULLY with the Panasonic MPEG-2.

I set up a custom "Panasonic" project template with the following settings:

NTSC drop frame (29.97 fps)
Overlay track(s):5
MPEG files
24 Bits, 704 x 480, 29.97 fps
Field Order B
(DVD-NTSC), 4 : 3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 9556 kbps)
Audio data rate: 256 kbps
AC-3 Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

I then inserted the MPEG-2 file recorded by the Panasonic DMR-E50.

I then used the scissors to cut the file into two clips and I moved the second clip to the VB track and then placed a transition between the two clips.

I then clicked FILE > CREATE > VIDEO FILE and then SAVE to see if the timeline would Smart Render.

Wow!

Smart Render worked perfectly!

The Ulead MediaStudio Pro render progress indicator appeared as a pop-up and the vertical timeline indicator just SAILED through the first clip - only slowing down to render precisely where the transition was located.

When it finished the transition, the vertical timeline indicator again sailed through the remainder of the clip.

To check even further, I then used the scissors to clip the second clip in a location farther down the timeline.

I then moved the last clip back up to the Va track, overlapping with the clip in the Vb track and I inserted another transition.

I then clicked FILE > CREATE > VIDEO FILE and I again watched as the Ulead MediaStudio Pro render progress pop-up appeared.

Again - the vertical timeline indicator shot through the already-rendered portion of the timeline, slowing down only where the second transition was inserted.

Ulead MediaStudio Pro's Smart Render feature works with the high quality MPEG-2 recorded by the Panasonic player/recorders!

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

**wkulecz** · 22 July 2003, 14:35

I tried the Phillips 985 about a year ago and cuts only editing in the machine is a bad joke. Sure it worked but finding the cut points was too slow and the buttons on the remote are painful to use after only a few minutes. Maybe the E50 is a lot better but I doubt it.

I'd planed on doing cuts only edits on the recorded DVD+RW and then copy to DVD+R or DVD-R with Nero but the DVD+RW image wouldn't copy to the hard drive -- I suspect this is the DVD-VR format and why MSP has to "capture" it instead of simply copying the files. Having an "edited" disk on DVD+RW wasn't very useful as compatability in set top players is pretty poor, although much better than DVD-RAM would be.

How does the E50 copy from DVD-RAM to DVD-R? does it have two trays? internal hard drive? If internal hard drive whay do you need the DVD-RAM media at all if the goal is DVD-R (or DVD+R) as DVD-RAM is pretty useless for most set top players. I'm a bit more familar with the E30 which is pretty much the bottom of the line.

Now that we've HDTV, I'm not as intrested in making DVDs as I was a year ago. On our 65" HDTV original DV straight from the DV camcorder is a bit (but noticibly) better than even commercial DVDs. My main justification for DVD recorder is my SVHS deck seems to be dying, not sure I want to replace it. I'm rethinking all my video plans and may just stay with what I have now until "Blu-Ray" or some other consumer HD distribution format comes along.

--wally.

**Dr Mordrid** · 22 July 2003, 14:42

HD DVD players using current "red laser" tech & main/high MPEG-4 profiles should arrive before DVD blue/HD. Current MPEG-4 uses the low profiles, hence the low quality.

Dr. Mordrid

**Jerry Jones** · 22 July 2003, 15:15

Wally wrote:

>I'd planned on doing cuts
>only edits on the recorded
>DVD+RW and then copy to
>DVD+R or DVD-R with Nero
>but the DVD+RW image
>wouldn't copy to the hard
>drive -- I suspect this is the
>DVD-VR format and why MSP
>has to "capture" it instead
>of simply copying the files.

Well, it *does* copy the files.

When one uses the Ulead DVD-VR Capture Plug-In, one can browse to the VIDEO_TS or DVD_RTAV folders that store either .VOBs or .VROs.

All the Ulead plug-in does is extract the raw MPEGs from these .VOBs or .VROs.

These raw MPEGs are exact copies.

>Having an "edited" disk on
>DVD+RW wasn't very useful
>as compatibility in set top
>players is pretty poor, although
>much better than DVD-RAM
>would be.

That is missing the point.

Neither DVD+RW or DVD-RAM discs are intended for mass distribution.

But they do work for cuts-only editing and their content can be easily re-published on DVD+R or DVD-R discs - which offer a higher level of compatibility.

>How does the E50 copy from
>DVD-RAM to DVD-R?

The Panasonic DMR-E50 lets you record *either* to DVD-RAM *or* DVD-R.

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=63387&catGroupId=11058&modelNo=DMR-E50S&surfModel=DMR-E50S

The Panasonic DMR-HS2 lets you record to a hard drive.

Or you can record to DVD-RAM.

Or you can record to DVD-R.

From the hard drive you can record to DVD-RAM or DVD-R.

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=63096&catGroupId=11058&modelNo=DMR-HS2&surfModel=DMR-HS2

>does it have two trays?

No

>internal hard drive?

DMR-E50 = No.

DMR-HS2 = Yes.

>If internal hard drive why do you
>need the DVD-RAM media at all if
>the goal is DVD-R (or DVD+R)

DVD-RAM is great for archiving!

It's easier to use than DVD-R.

And if you change your mind, you can erase it and re-use it.

That's the simple answer.

>as DVD-RAM is pretty useless
>for most set top players.

It's not intended for distribution.

Moreover, the number of set top players that support DVD-RAM is increasing... not decreasing:

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelList?storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&catGroupId=11059

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

**Dr Mordrid** · 22 July 2003, 18:01

And lets not forget that DVD-RAM is a more robust archival format than DVD+R/anything. It's also supported in the vast majority of all DVD recorders, the majority of DVD camcorders plus a bunch of DVD players made by Panasonic, Hitachi and Toshiba.

Dr. Mordrid

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