Adobe Premiere Pro warning.

[Fred H]

Usually I don’t like Premiere (I am using MSP7.0) but I’ve had the opportunity to try Premiere Pro.
Unfortunately it doesn’t work on my computer and I uninstalled it now.
Premiere Pro needs the CPU- SSE Instruction set, which my Athlon doesn’t have.
I found a compatibility table about which processors have or not the SSE instruction set, here: http://www.tommesani.com/InstructionSetCPU.html

Is there something I’m missing?
Better to check before buy.
Anyway, I am staying with MSP7

Fred H

[UtwigMU]

SSE was added with Palomino AthlonXP (1500+ to 2100+ (1.33-1.73GHz).

Thoroughbreds (1700+ to 2800+) and Bartons (2500+ to 3200+) also have SSE.

Athlon64/FX/Opteron got SSE2 as well.

You need to upgrade your CPU to AthlonXP, check what your board supports.

It should support Palominos for sure, but I'm not sure about TBreds (do your homework). I think it doesn't support Bartons-

Since Intel and AMD have crosslicensing deal, they include technolgy from each other.

Thus AMD gets SSE and SSE2, while Intel will incorporate x86-64 from AMD in their Prescott or higher P4/P5.




Athlon4 was first Palomino and was only a mobile part. Desktop parts were dubbed AthlonXP.


ftp://ftp.epox.com/motherboard/suppo...pu-support.pdf


Here's a PDF from Epox, your board will take up to 2200+ (1.80GHz) Thoroughbred

[Adis]

Komsija Slovenac

Neka, neka ima nas svugdje

[UtwigMU]

Tek sad si primjetio.

[Adis]

Originally posted by UtwigMU
Tek sad si primjetio.

Nisam prije vidio vjeruj mi...

[Dr Mordrid]

PPro looks nice, has lots of features but falls short on implementation in many areas. In many ways it's more annoying than I can stand....

Dr. Mordrid

[Ted222]

Doc,

Are you saying this because of poor support for Athlon processors, or for other reasons.

Gee, I just spent "big bucks" upgrading to XP Pro and Premiere Pro....ouch.

Ted

[Fred H]

I agree with Doc. I never liked Premiere, I mean the earlier versions and I don’t like PPro because I can’t run it on my computer.
Yeah, I know my opinion doesn’t weigh much against the “Big Boys” who spend big money every year or half, or month or week, to upgrade their HW and SW and by this get wider experience.
Anyway, I don’t like Premiere as much as I like Ulead MSP7 and nobody can convince me about the opposite.

Fred H

[Adis]

Premiere Pro v7.0 is more stable and more usefull than any previous version!
And for me it's better than any other VideoEditing program.

[ronczka]

Adis,

I agree with you totally about Premiere Pro. In fact, as a filmmaker for nearly twenty-five years, I can't for the life of me understand why someone would prefer Ulead over Premiere. I've attempted to work with MediaStudio Pro since it first appeared, right up to the latest version 7. I've tried many times, to no avail. Premiere, even with the bugs, has always blown away MediaStudio Pro. Not even close. Just my opinion, of course.

By the way, Premiere Pro is very stable. Hasn't crashed once in over 3 weeks. And I've thrown at it everything imaginable. No crashes! Also, two fellow university colleagues of mine recently abandoned their super-charged Athlon systems after seeing the blistering performance of my new Pentium 4 3.0 hyperthreaded system. No match. Intel rules here, as far as Premiere is concerned. You'll save hours in time.

Be good. Ronczka

[Fred H]

It is dumb to force users to use only Intels or AMD newer CPU’s only with the Premiere Pro 7.0
AVID Cinema X, or MSP 7 for this sake IS at least so good as Premiere 7.0 but they are supported by the most AMD.
Ofncourse, MSP has its shortcomings. It is a question of compromise with all of them.
And more important: they do not need that crazy registration like Adobe needs.
MSP 7 never crashed for me. I mean N E V E R crashed in the last 6 months.
I realize that it is not worth the money to buy Premiere Pro and upgrade the CPU/mobo etc at the same times and after some year do it again.
I agree (at least partially) with those who already have newer computers and are not satisfied with MSP 7.0 to buy Premiere Pro

It is a "Never ending story..."

Fred H

[Dr Mordrid]

I can't stand PPro for the following reasons;

1. conforming all audio can waste vast amounts of HDD space, especially if you re-use a give audio resource. This causes a whole new conformed audio file to be created identical to one that already exists. Granted; Adobe's working on this problem, but why in hell conform every single audio file? You should be able to turn this resource hog OFF, and the vast majority of betas agreed....but Adobe, as usual, wouldn't listen.

2. its software RT performance is nowhere near what MSPro7 or VV4 can do and Adobe techs will admit this when pressed. This gap lessens slightly with P4 CPU's because they have SSE2 while AthlonXP's only have SSE, but it's still there in abundance.

3. supposedly the whole idea of a single track paradigm is to make the program more user friendly. PPro is IMO anything but. Yes, part of this is due to new features, but even more is due to Adobe changing things seemingly for the sake of change.

4. try converting a complex 6.5 motion effect for use in PPro (requires the use of motion filters instead of just using the motion properties) and you'll find the rendering time increases exponentially. Do the same effect with RT.X100 2D/3D effects (done in software) and it's realtime

5. I find that its implementation of a single track timeline has more than a few hiccups, most notably that you can't just drop a transititon between two clips as you would in other programs using a similar paradigm. Do this with PPro and you get an error and a warning that the effect may not work as expected. This was hotly debated during the beta, but again to no avail.

6. Activation. I can't stand it with WinXP and like it even less with software. It's worse than inconvenient, it makes for a risky investment. Can you be 100% sure that if CompanyX dies in another tech crash that they'll release unlocking codes for their products to preserve the customers investment? Nope? Then don't buy activated software.

6. anyone time how long it takes to render a color correction vs. 6.5? Believe me, it's painful if a long clip needs correcting. If anything this should be faster in PPro since its timeline now works in YUV instead of RGB, but this isn't the case. Again the RT.X100 or Storm can do CC in software realtime even on an AthlonXP 2000+, so what's PPro's problem?

There are things I like; making key effects video filters for one, but overall PPro without an RT.X100 or Storm 2 to speed things up is just too painful to use without their assistance.

Dr. Mordrid

[ronczka]

Dr. Mordrid:
You're absolutely right on the mark about Premiere's audio conforming. What a waste. Couldn't agree with you more. Thank God, on my Pentium 4, this process only takes about 4 minutes for 2 hours of footage. But yes, what a waste of disk space. Hope Adobe does something about this soon.

What system are you using for the software RT performance? I don't understand your conclusions here. Premiere Pro is at least twice as fast as MSPro7 and much much faster than Vegas4. I can also confirm this with several machines at my university department. What could account for the discrepency here?

It's taken me a while to get accustomed to single track. You're right again. I began my career working with 16mm and 35mm film negative cutting (a, b, c, d, rolls etc.). So yes, the single track world took time to master. But I edit almost every day of the week. Two weeks with Premiere Pro, and I now loath to go back to the primitive way of doing things (A-B tracks). It's only a tool really. Not a way of life, as some people think. Software is only a tool! A means to an end. Nothing more.

In terms of dropping a transition between two clips, I've never had the error message you talk about. Works fine here, and on several other machines at school. ??? I checked with Adobe forums, and couldn't find a thing. ???

Many people, of course, don't like activitation. But It's never been a problem for me. A nice way to cut down on some bootlegging. It's a fact of life. If people buy their software, they have nothing to worry about. I don't see a big problem here. And God, Windows XP is SO much better than Windows 2000, I can't believe some users are sticking with 2K because of a silly issue about activation. Dark ages mentality I guess.

Color corrections for me on Pro ARE faster than on 6.5. No much, but still an improvement. I don't understand why it is taking so much longer on your system. And I'm not using an RT card... No one in my circle has an RT board. Maybe the hypertreading helps here. I don't really know.

Keying effects are wonderful, as you report. Smooth as silk. Powerful addition.

What I would most welcome is that Adobe adopt a true Windows interface, rather than the Mac paradigm. Nothing Adobe makes for Windows FEELS like a Windows program. At least Vegas and MSP act and feel like a true Windows program. Adobe really has to get their act together here, particularly since their PC sales are way greater than their Mac sales. Doesn't make sense to me. It took them YEARS to add that wonderful "Windows" CorelDraw-like options bar to Photoshop. I work on a PC, not on a Mac. It would be even better if the NEW Premiere Pro interface functioned more like a true Windows interface.

My two cents. I appreciate your comments. I love this board. Learned so much from people like yourself. Again, thanks.

Ronczka

[Ted222]

Thanks, Doc and Ronczka for your "most informative" comments. I am gonna give my system a try and will post back here in a few weeks if I find anything interesting.

Ted

[Brian Ellis]

Originally posted by ronczka
I can't believe some users are sticking with 2K because of a silly issue about activation. Dark ages mentality I guess.

No, practicality.

I don't believe I have a dark ages mentality, but I live on a small island. I frequently change the hardware in the computer I use for video work but the one thing this computer does not have is an Internet connection, so that I do not need firewall/antivirus and other hoggers (absolute minimal software/drivers installation to have maximum resources available). That means I would have to make an intercontinental phone call every two or three weeks, at considerable cost.

Furthermore, having purchased the licence to use a software, I do not consider it is any business of the software manufacturer to know what is going on in my computer at regular intervals (invasion of privacy). Whereas I sympathise with their efforts to reduce piracy, there are other and more effective ways of doing it (WinXP is easily available as a warez version not requiring activation). In fact, activation is tantamount to spyware, which is something I take great care to avoid on all my computers.

What I would most welcome is that Adobe adopt a true Windows interface, rather than the Mac paradigm. Nothing Adobe makes for Windows FEELS like a Windows program. At least Vegas and MSP act and feel like a true Windows program. Adobe really has to get their act together here, particularly since their PC sales are way greater than their Mac sales. Doesn't make sense to me. It took them YEARS to add that wonderful "Windows" CorelDraw-like options bar to Photoshop. I work on a PC, not on a Mac. It would be even better if the NEW Premiere Pro interface functioned more like a true Windows interface.

There, I agree with you well over 100%. In fact, although I have tried several Adobe softwares, in the past, including Premiere and Photoshop, I abandoned them for just this reason (plus I found MSP to be much better than Premiere, when I tried it, a couple of years ago). Currently, I am using MSP7, which I find to be reliable, crash-free, fast, with many possible effects (most of which I never use, of course!), and it does everything I require of it. I don't even intend buying APP, especially if it requires extra hardware to perform as well as MSP, as Doc implies. My financial resources simply do not permit it.

The only Adobe software I still use is the full version of Acrobat, on my office computer, for compatibility reasons for my UN work.

I'm not saying that I'm a Windows fan -- far from it, I'm not. I have gone over to Linux for my CAD work and I would for video if only MSP were available in a Linux version. Autorouting a printed circuit in Linux runs about 40% (average) faster than in Win, on the same machine, with the same software (different versions, of course). This is an operation that is like rendering video, lengthy (possibly taking 24 hours for a large project) and graphics- and CPU-intensive.