DVD+R DL coming April 2004

[VJ]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33733.html

Expect double-layer, almost double-capacity DVD+R drives and media to hit the stores next April, members of the DVD+RW alliance say.

The technology, co-developed by drive maker Philips, and media specialists Verbatim and Mitsubishi Kagaku, adds a second recording layer to a standard-thickness DVD+R disc, taking the medium's capacity from 4.7GB to 8.5GB.

That's enough for four hours of DVD-quality material, 16 hours of VHS-quality content or two hours' archive footage. The discs are playback-compatible with existing DVD players and DVD-ROM drives.

Initial products will offer a write speed of 2.4x.

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Jörg

[Technoid]

and this will ofcourse deligt those that only sees a DVD burner as a tool for copying DVD's

And make MPAA even more paranoid

[Hulk]

It will be interesting to see if a -R DL writer appears...

Mark

[Dr Mordrid]

It will and is in the works.

Dr. Mordrid

[Ray Austin]

so does this mean all the older dvd players won't play these new discs?

How long has the vcr lasted? I think hardware vendors are onto something here... [I still say tape sux tho!]

[Dr Mordrid]

As long as the player supports dual layers they should work within the limitations we already know between media/deck/burner. Where we'll need new hardware is in burners and set top recorders with dual layer support.

Dr. Mordrid

[wkulecz]

I don't think any players are out there which don't support dual layers since most commercial disks are dual layers!

If everything out there that plays DVD+R now plays these it'll be great, if not, more of the same incompatible shit in a different sack. Especailly if its a repeat of the same will play DVD+R but not DVD-R or vice-versa crap we have now!

--wally.

[Elie]

Here is how I see it.

people are making copies of movies today on 4.7G disks anyway.

What I like about DL is the fact that I am not limited to crappy low data rate exports to fit as much as 2 hours on a single disk.

I just finished a DVD project using Encore and I had to create two DVD's because my project was 2 hours 42 minutes long.
Couple that with animated backgrounds and a whole bunch of menus and transitions you won't imagine how fast it easts up a 4.7 G disk.

I say bring them on already they are far over due.

Cheers,
Elie

[Elie]

Originally posted by wkulecz
If everything out there that plays DVD+R now plays these it'll be great, if not, more of the same incompatible shit in a different sack. Especailly if its a repeat of the same will play DVD+R but not DVD-R or vice-versa crap we have now!

--wally.

You are always safer with the DVD-R format, trust me I have tried many times.

Regards,
Elie

[Ray Austin]

yeah I agree too that it's long overdue to be able to put more than 2hrs on a disc with respectable bit-rates.... but the only thing is it's a modest improvement.

Which means if the DVD players won't play it you buy another player. Then next is blu-laser dvds in prolly less than 5yrs if sony has their way, oops gotta buy another player for that one.

• trusty vcr still works as long as you use vhs tape.
• DVD gen1. plays commercial dvds some play DVD-r/-rw
• DVD gen2. plays commercial dvds plays DVD-r/-rw
• DVD gen3. plays comm. dvds, DVD-r/-rw +r/+rw, win media, pic cds.
• DVD gen4??? dual layer
• blu-ray laser "super dvd?"

I don't know about you but I got old computer parts laying around here and there... so when would be a good time to buy a dvd player?

[wkulecz]

Sorry, I'm afraid asking people to buy my disks AND a new player will be a rather tough sell! YMMV.

Ellie, I don't trust you, if DVD-R was so "better" why'd Pioneer come out with a DVD+R/DVD-R combo drive? Spin it however you like, but sad fact is you need both formats to maximize coverage of what players are in peoples homes right now. Frankly both formats suck about the same, although its getting better as new players replace old in terms of total percentage of what is out there. If DL DVD+R adds another round of incompatability I'm ignoring it until a HDTV video distribution format becomes available.

DVD+R DL in a stand-alone DVD Recorder box would be the VCR replacement for time shift recording, this I'd buy quickly, but it'd still be much better if the disks played "everywhere".

--wally.

[Hulk]

Originally posted by Elie
You are always safer with the DVD-R format, trust me I have tried many times.

Regards,
Elie

I've had the exact opposite experience.

Mark

[Ray Austin]

Originally posted by wkulecz
Ellie, I don't trust you, if DVD-R was so "better" why'd Pioneer come out with a DVD+R/DVD-R combo drive? Spin it however you like, but sad fact is you need both formats to maximize coverage of what players are in peoples homes right now.

--wally.

Well pioneer was the "pioneer" in all this, first to market leaves you open to all kinds of attacks.

The formats have +'s and -'s (pun intended)

the - format is not like a cd. has difficulty adding more data to a dvd once data is on it.

the + format can treat the data more like a cd and have multiple sessions on it. + it can write a dvd faster, if that's a reason to want it... some people don't want to wait at all???

Those are the two biggest differences in the formats. Other than "the dang thing won't play in my dvd player" thing.

So it's not about Pioneer having something wrong with there version. There intention was to make playable DVD's in set tops. Which is totally fine if that is all you plan to do.

[Elie]

Those are the two biggest differences in the formats. Other than "the dang thing won't play in my dvd player" thing.

So it's not about Pioneer having something wrong with there version. There intention was to make playable DVD's in set tops. Which is totally fine if that is all you plan to do.

Exactly my point guys, I have had many come to me with DVD's that they could not play in their Settop DVD players only to realize they were DVD+R, when I make them the same on DVD-R format all is fine.

My DVD's have been sent all over the world in DVD-R without any one of them coming back saying your DVD did not work.

My burner is the Pioneer 104, and I'll stick with it until the DVD-R DL comes out and proves itself.

Regards,
Elie

[gt40]

I've only had luck playing DVD+r's on my deck, so I must be the exception.