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    What's a good way to get more performance out of my HD while recording in HuffYuv, or any HQ format? I'm currently having trouble getting to 704x480 in HuffYuv on AVI_IO. I see posts with HD's reporting 11Mbs transfer, and I only seem to test at between 4-5Mbs.

    ABIT-BE6R2, PIII 500e-100MHz, 384Mb PC133 Micron, Maxtor-15G ATA66 7200, WD 15G ATA66 5400, S&F 4x4x24, Pioneer 10/40x DVD, G400-DH-32Mb w/RR-G, Aureal 2500Quad, D-link 10BaseT

    0 System Timer
    1 Standard 101/102 Key or Microsoft Keyboard
    2 Programmable interrupt controller
    3 Vortex Au8830 PCI Audio
    3 Vortex Au8830 Multifunction PCI Platform
    3 Intel(r) 82371AB/EB/MB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
    3 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    4 Communications Port (COM1)
    5 Printer Port (LPT1)
    6 Standard Floppy Disk Controller
    7 Vortex AU8830 Sound Blaster Pro Emulation
    8 System CMOS/real time clock
    9 SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
    10 Matrox Millenium G400 DualHead-English
    10 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    11 D-Link DE-528 Ethernet PCI Adapter
    11 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
    12 PS/2 Compatible Mouse Port
    13 Numeric data processor
    14 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
    14 Intel(r) 82371AB/EB/MB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
    15 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
    15 Intel(r) 82371AB/EB/MB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller

    I have the HD's on ATA33 IDE1, Max-master/WD slave right now, because I had some problems with the high-point drivers and my WesternDig a few months ago. The hard drive kept making the sound as if it were going into stand-by or convultions or something. Anyway, I sent the drive back and WD sent a new one, but now I'm afraid to try with it and the Maxtor. Maybe HighPoint has some new ATA66 drivers that will help this, but I'd like to know it's going to work.

    I am running the current Intel 440BX chipset drivers, and I think most of my software and hardware drivers are up to date, except where recommended otherwise.

    Does anyone know how much of a read/write boost I might get by going from ata33 to ata66?

    I know there're many software programs out there that say they will test and/or boost system performance, but I've been burned before and don't know which to trust not to screw up my system.

    Any recommendations?

    Thanks

    Kleinbull


  • #2
    A small amount of performance can be achieved by formatting you're capture drive or partition with a larger cluster size
    this reduces capacity a little.
    PartitionMagic by PowerQuest is a great tool for this job
    I use 32k cluster fat32 on win98 and a 64k cluser on winNT/2000 (NTFS)

    My PC :Matrox G400TV AMD Duron750mhz@850mhz,256Mb,Abit KT7133raid,10gb ibm,10gb seagete,20gb7.2k-rmp fujitsu,LG CDWR 40x16x10
    win98se
    Entertainment : P150mhz@160mhz,16mb,VX MBoad,PCI-TNT with TV/out,H+ dvd,Creative x5 dvd

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    • #3
      For Win9x you can get some ideas from Matrox's editing FAQ;

      http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/fa.../video4.cfm#33

      Dr. Mordrid

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      • #4
        Kleinbull

        I generall agree with the FAQs mentioned by Doc, but a couple of extra kopecks worth:
        1. Put your fixed-size swapfile in an ad hoc partition reserved ONLY for that. This will prevent fragmentation which can slow transfers to and fro swap files enormously. On all my computers, I run the swapfile at 25 Mb less than the partition size.
        2. Make sure your video drive is master on IDE1 and NEVER slave on either IDE0 or IDE1.
        3. Adjust your fixed vcache size to between 20 and 25% of your RAM size. This doesn't hog too much RAM but caches adequately.
        4. Run Sandra and note the hints it gives you.
        5. If you re-install Windows on top of your existing one, you must reset your fixed swapfile and vcache settings: these disappear at each reinstallation!
        6. Reformat your video disc before starting a project.

        1/3 of a kopeck each: good value!

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        Brian (the terrible)
        Brian (the devil incarnate)

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        • #5
          OK, thanks y'all.

          I'm formatted, scanned, and defragged and ready to go. I've set up the HD cache, and fixin to do the vcache from the web page. I'm not sure how to avoid slaving with 2 HD's and 2 media drives, should my HD's be masters to my media drives on IDE0 and IDE1?

          The first thing I'm gonna try is a 704x480 on HuffYUV. It was nice to see the quality of the Huff compared to the MatroxMJPeg, I can't wait to see the higher res capture vid.

          Anybody have any luck with the Abit BE6r2 w/highpoint66 drivers for Maxtor and WD hard drives?

          Thanks again for the help

          [This message has been edited by kleinbull (edited 13 March 2001).]

          [This message has been edited by kleinbull (edited 13 March 2001).]

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          • #6
            Brian is right about always avoiding the slaving setup with the hard drives. To avoid doing so you will need a controller card to plug into one of your PCI slots. I use a now "old" Promise Ultra 66 PCI card and have two hard drives on it. Works fairly well for the lite video work that I do. The IDE connectors on the motherboard, I use for CD and CDR. If you absolutely have to use a master-slave combo for the time being, try to avoid doing it on what will be your capture drive.

            There are more up to date drive controller cards from Promise and others and they won't set you back much scratch. Perhaps someone here will suggest one for you. Good luck getting up and running.

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            • #7
              When adding a new controller for the purpose of moving your video drives off the mainboard connections you have some things to consider;

              1. Standard controller or RAID?

              If you're doing DV you don't really need a RAID array. A single large drive will do nicely. Ex: Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 80 gig. More than enough for a long time.

              RAID is more for those doing analog video or those who have mixed DV and analog systems (me, for example).

              2. Whatthehell is a RAID?

              Book def: Redundent Array of Inexpensive (or Independent) Disks

              RAID arrays can be used in many configurations only three of which are commonlly used for video.

              The main way people use RAID is for RAID0, or Striped, arrays. This is where several identical drives are be strung together into one huge virtual drive that is much faster than any single drive could be. My fastest RAID0 can write video at over 70 mb/s and read it at 90+ mb/s. Lots of overkill there

              The second most common array type is RAID0/1. This sets up one pair of RAID0 drives to mirror another pair so you don't lose anything if one drive in the primary pair craps out.

              As noted the rub with both RAID0 and RAID0/1 is that you really should match the drives. Each drive in the setup should be of the same brand, type, size and RPM. Exact model matches are preferred.

              A third RAID type that can be used is the JBOD, or SPANNED, array. JBOD = Just a Bunch Of Disks. In a JBOD you don't have to match the drives, but also there is no speed increase. All you get is additive capacity.

              3. SCSI or IDE?

              IDE is just as fast, reliable and cheaper, so don't let that be a concern. Unless you're setting up a huge studio go IDE.

              4. Promise, 3Ware or Highpoint?

              Promise is the most cost efficient, mature product line and they make plain IDE controllers as well as RAID. 3Ware makes good RAID controllers, but they are expensive. Don't even think about Highpoint. Their product is far from mature and has some compatability problems, particularly on VIA & Apollo chipped mainboards.

              Here are my recommendations;

              Plain IDE controller: Promise Ultra100

              IDE RAID controller: Promise Fasttrak100

              Even if you don't have ATA100 drives get the ATA100 models. There are major improvements in them vs. the Ultra/Fasttrak 33 and 66 models, especially in terms of their PCI latency.

              Dr. Mordrid


              [This message has been edited by Dr Mordrid (edited 14 March 2001).]

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              • #8
                Thanks again gang,

                I really appreciate y'alls help getting me through this so quickly. That AVI_IO/HuffYUV combination is great. I'm working on a Sponge Bob archive, and this is working better than I expected.

                How will the ATA-100 board/drive affect my conversion speed? I'm pretty sure it will improve my capture dropped frames rate right?

                It takes about an 45 mins - hour to convert 10 mins Huff to Mpeg-1. Is that about normal? just curious.

                Oh, is the Promise ata/100 pretty forgiving when it comes to PCI/Irq location and set/up?

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                [This message has been edited by kleinbull (edited 18 March 2001).]

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                • #9
                  My Fasttrak100's are very forgiving of what IRQ they're on as long as I use the latest drivers.

                  Example: my FT100 RAID array is on the same IRQ as my RT-2000's IEEE-1394 OHCI device. No interference at all.

                  Drives & drive speed very seldom have an effect on conversion speeds. The CPU, memory speed and the encoding software are the real bottlenecks.

                  Dr. Mordrid


                  [This message has been edited by Dr Mordrid (edited 19 March 2001).]

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