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    I'm in the process of finishing my basement and one of the things I'm going to have down there is a home theater. I've been keeping my eye on large monitors for the last few years and now that I'm only months from purchasing I'm getting more interested.

    Today I stopped by Best Buy to have a look.

    I'm not sure what the feed to the monitors was, and the saleperson couldn't really tell me, he just said "over the air." I was like what the hell does that mean? Best Buy has their own TV channel that broadcasts a demo loop? I didn't say that to him of course I just slowly nodded and said "ooookaayyy."

    Anyway the demo loop had varying material. It all looked quite good when standing back about 4 or 5 feet (or more). But only some of the material looked exceptional under close up inspection to my eyes.

    My favorite monitor out of the ones I saw today was the $3800 Sony Bravia 46". Next was the Samsung of the same size at $3100. Both are 1080p and with good source material looked pretty stunning. There was also a 1366x768 Sony for around $2500 that also looked very good.

    Next I found a BR player connected to a Sony 40" LCD. It was playing a loop of a few movies. Again some were stunning and others had a little too much of that pixel flickering effect you can see from either bad encoding or not enough bitrate. Like I said, from 4 or 5 feet away they still looked very good. But just knowing it wasn't holding up under close inspection bothered me. I can't deny that fact.

    Now the interesting thing is they had a demo of a movie playing with a horizontal line moving back and forth. Everything on one side of the line would go from SD to HD when the line moved left to right, and SD to HD when moving right to left.

    Now the interesting thing about this is that when the shooting was using larger apertures (less depth of field) I could only notice a difference between HD and SD in the portions of the picture that were in focus. So now I can see why most HD demos involve a lot of landscape shots. Those shots are always shot with high f-stops so that everything is in focus, thus showing off HD the most. Also realize that since these shots are outside so that enough light is available to keep shutter speeds up.

    In my opinion the good news is that there are some quite good monitors out there that have really come down in price over the past few years. You can get a very good ~40 inch monitor for around $2000.

    The other good news is that the HD video chain does show promise. With a good monitor and good source the results can be excellent.

    The bad news, as Jerry as said, is that from what I saw in my brief sampling today, there is more bad content than good at the moment.

    I think I'm going to spring for a good monitor and build an HTPC for it. That way I can play my DVD's with the software/hardware player of my choice. And I can store content on the hard drive for quick access. Then when the time is right I'll go for an HD drive for the computer.

    I don't know perhaps I'm being a little too picky. I'm not going to be watching a 46" screen from 3 feet away but for some reason I think I should be able to freeze the program, walk up and have a look and not see any encoding artifacts. Is that too much to ask? I'm still excited about the technology but would like to see a bunch of discs to see what is really going on.
    - Mark

    Core 2 Duo E6400 o/c 3.2GHz - Asus P5B Deluxe - 2048MB Corsair Twinx 6400C4 - ATI AIW X1900 - Seagate 7200.10 SATA 320GB primary - Western Digital SE16 SATA 320GB secondary - Samsung SATA Lightscribe DVD/CDRW- Midiland 4100 Speakers - Presonus Firepod - Dell FP2001 20" LCD - Windows XP Home

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    Originally posted by Hulk View Post
    Next I found a BR player connected to a Sony 40" LCD. It was playing a loop of a few movies. Again some were stunning and others had a little too much of that pixel flickering effect you can see from either bad encoding or not enough bitrate. Like I said, from 4 or 5 feet away they still looked very good. But just knowing it wasn't holding up under close inspection bothered me. I can't deny that fact... The bad news, as Jerry as said, is that from what I saw in my brief sampling today, there is more bad content than good at the moment. I think I'm going to spring for a good monitor and build an HTPC for it. That way I can play my DVD's with the software/hardware player of my choice. And I can store content on the hard drive for quick access. Then when the time is right I'll go for an HD drive for the computer. I don't know perhaps I'm being a little too picky. I'm not going to be watching a 46" screen from 3 feet away but for some reason I think I should be able to freeze the program, walk up and have a look and not see any encoding artifacts. Is that too much to ask? I'm still excited about the technology but would like to see a bunch of discs to see what is really going on.
    Yesterday, I also went to Best Buy.

    Disappointment... again.

    They had a Blu-ray Disc player hooked up to a 42" high definition monitor.

    The movie was some comedy starring Robin Williams.

    Man, the digital noise in the background was awful.

    I thought to myself... "This is progress?"

    I mean -- really -- it didn't look any better than a good, upconverted standard definition DVD.

    A few weeks ago, at Circuit City, I saw the opposite.

    They had a high definition DVD player hooked up to a monitor of the same size and they were showing scenes from Italy and the quality was stunning.

    My conclusion was that high definition is best when shot by a high definition camcorder.

    So far, the only motion picture that looks all that much better than standard definition is the animated 3D cartoon or certain other types of films.

    But many films show considerable grain.

    And those films -- apparently -- don't translate well to high definition DVD formats.

    I'm not sure if it's an encoding problem or just a problem that results from grainy film stocks.

    I'm a conservative where high definition is concerned.

    My big hope is that Ulead will soon release a Proxy editing update to MediaStudio Pro so that I can buy a high definition SD memory card AVCHD camcorder and be done with it.

    I have a small high definition monitor and I'll live with that for the next few years.

    Spending the vast sums they're asking now just doesn't seem worthwhile for me.

    Jerry Jones
    Last edited by Jerry Jones; 15 February 2007, 16:30.

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    • #3
      Jerry,

      Yes, that's the demo I saw. And I agree it was not impressive.

      My plan is to sample some BR discs via Netflix since I have a subscription right now. I'll probably end up buying a $550 BR computer player/recorder to keep the investment as small as possible.

      Which camcorder are you considering?

      I wish the Canan HV20 used memory cards...
      - Mark

      Core 2 Duo E6400 o/c 3.2GHz - Asus P5B Deluxe - 2048MB Corsair Twinx 6400C4 - ATI AIW X1900 - Seagate 7200.10 SATA 320GB primary - Western Digital SE16 SATA 320GB secondary - Samsung SATA Lightscribe DVD/CDRW- Midiland 4100 Speakers - Presonus Firepod - Dell FP2001 20" LCD - Windows XP Home

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hulk View Post
        Which camcorder are you considering?
        My order of interest is as follows:

        1. Panasonic AG-HSC1U SD card camera with included 40gb external hard disk;

        2. JVC GZ-HD7

        3. Canon HV20

        Yes, I'm big on H.264/MPEG-4.

        But we need a proxy file edit solution, it seems to me.

        Without that, then one of the other camcorders could move up to first place.

        Jerry Jones

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        • #5
          By the way, Sony's Vegas 7 will support AVCHD soon.

          Sony has promised an update and -- as I understand it -- this update will allow you to make use of "proxies" to edit your piece and then link back to the original AVCHD files for output.

          Sounds like something Ulead/Corel should also offer.

          I hope Corel is listening.

          Jerry Jones

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          • #6
            Yes, they are saying Spring 2007 it will be supported. I would have thought it would have been faster since Sony is selling these cams!

            That JVC camera you listed looks very promising. I know you're not into MPEG-2 but at 30mbps that should provide for pretty good video.

            And you are right about the 3D animation looking great on HD. That's a good observation that the images shot in HD generally look great but the film transfers are spotty. It might be that the encoders are not handling the film grain well, or the compressionists aren't familar with the process at this point in time.

            It's strange since I would think any big studio shot 35mm film would contain more than enough resolution for a 1920x1080 scan. I would imagine they scan at something higher, closer to the resolution limit of the film. Then post processes and finally resample to 1080p.

            Like you said the final results are so spotty it's disappointing.
            - Mark

            Core 2 Duo E6400 o/c 3.2GHz - Asus P5B Deluxe - 2048MB Corsair Twinx 6400C4 - ATI AIW X1900 - Seagate 7200.10 SATA 320GB primary - Western Digital SE16 SATA 320GB secondary - Samsung SATA Lightscribe DVD/CDRW- Midiland 4100 Speakers - Presonus Firepod - Dell FP2001 20" LCD - Windows XP Home

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