Somebody Stop Me..

[Paddy]

(shuffles on back to the lounge)

[cjolley]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
I guess I could get a 35mm body now and use the same lens.. and get the cool 70-200mm lens and.. you SEE?!?! I knew this would happen.

Do we need a "Barbie Doll" forum?
Chuck

[lAmerZ]

for a detailed review: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond70/

btw.: is the CANON 20D as good as the NIKON D70? I mean, I've never used a digital SLR, though.

[Fred H]

Originally posted by KvH
I guess I could get a 35mm body now and use the same lens

You can get my F-401s body; give me your D70 body.
You can get my Coolpix995 too; give me the D70 body.
I AM jealous too.

Tell us about your experience with the D70.

Fred

[Lizzard[MPE]]

i had no idea this forum was even here.

[spadnos]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
I guess I could get a 35mm body now and use the same lens.. and get the cool 70-200mm lens and.. you SEE?!?! I knew this would happen.

Maybe, maybe not.

I was in Germany with a friend for Photokina. He had his D70, and I had my F100. We swapped lenses for some shots - he had the lens that comes in the D70 kit. Because it's a DX lens, the image circle is only 2/3 frame (it's also 2/3 the effective focal length, so it's a fisheye for the film camera). I got interesting vignettes around all the images. The vignetting is independent of zoom.

Can be artistic, but not so great for "real" photos.

You can, of course, go the other way - use film lenses on the digital camera - they'll just be 1.5x the effective focal length (a 100mm film lens will act like a 150mm on the D70).

- Steve

ps: I'm also jealous

[Wulfman]

I'm not jealous, have no reason to be.

KV: I've been using mine since march, never regretted spending the money. great camera, great usability. get the firmware-update, a fast cf-card and rock on.

mfg
wulfman

[degrub]

...and we thought the "where is this " thread was hard before !!!!!



Frank

[VJ]

The 20D is quite similar to the D70. Major difference is that the 20D has more focussing points, but I believe a single point of a D70 is more accurate than a single point on a 20D. So it will be close.

KvH: wait till you get it. The first hours are just painfull: you put the battery in the carger, and watch the light blink (if the charger is like the one of the D100). Meanwhile, you are sitting there, with the manual and a nonfunction camera in your hand. Is the light still blinking? Its one of the longest hours...
Just a note: in the D100, if there is no battery, the viewfinder is very dark and unsharp. This is not a malfunction; it could be that the D70 is similar in that matter. So don't worry if you find the viewfinder useless while the battery is charging.

Jörg

[Fred H]

Nikon service?

I’ve read somewhere, at some Nikon forums that a Nikon service failed to clean the cameras CCD.
I am confused. I haven’t any D70, but I wish to buy one and I can’t imagine how the CCD could be dusty.
How much the CCD is exposed for dust in a digital system camera?
If you remove the lens can you se the CCD behind the mirror? There must be a shutter, similar to the film cameras, isn't it?
How can people get a camera inside be dusty?

Any comments, please?
Fred

[VJ]

Re: Nikon service?

Originally posted by Fred H
I’ve read somewhere, at some Nikon forums that a Nikon service failed to clean the cameras CCD.
I am confused. I haven’t any D70, but I wish to buy one and I can’t imagine how the CCD could be dusty.

If you take of the lens of a digital reflex, you see the mirror. Behind it is indeed the shutter, and after this is a filter and the sensor. So when people say thay clean the CCD, they actually clean the filter just in front of it.
Cleaning this filter requires the mirror to be up, and the shutter to be open. I'm not sure about the D70, but the D100 requires an AC adapter to do this. It is also a dangerous action (you risk damaging the shutter, scratching the filter, or bringing more dust into the body).

There have been reports of dusts between the CCD and the filter, and this cannot be cleaned by a user. While it is possible, I don't always trust such reports. My guess would be that if there were dust in that location, Nikon Service will solve it.

Now how does dust get into a camera...?

• by changing lenses (obviously)
• by using zoomlenses. Zooming in/out causes the lens to extend. To be able to extend, it must suck air in (this air is blown out when the lens is retracted again). Esp. with some older lenses and cameras, you could feel the air blow out around the viewfinder.
• moving mechanics. As weird as it sounds, but having components move, yields very small dustspecs coming from these components. I once had a hairlike piece of plastic (approx. 3-4mm in length)

So whether you like it or not, there will be dust on the sensor. It usually is only visible at small apertures (as they have a larger depth of field) against a bright subject (e.g. blue sky).
There exists software that allows you to filter out dust (in post processing), it is even a function in the latest Nikon Capture.

Two manufacturers have tried to solve the dust issue: Sigma (SD9) has a dust filter in front of the sensor (it should be positioned so that dust on it isn't really noticable on a picture) and Minolta (they 'shake' the CCD to get dust off, and it should stick to the bottom of the chamber). I have my reservations against both methods though...

FWIW, I have had my camera cleaned twice in the Nikon Service centre (they didn't even charge me for it).

The dustissue is in my opinion much less of an issue than it appears when browsing forums, ... It never hurts to have cameras like these checked every now and then, so the filter can be cleaned at the same time.



Jörg

[Fred H]

Thanks, VJ.
You're right, not to read every shit on forums.
I am amateur photographer since 195X's and have had a lot of older film-cameras, from Leica (still own one, model 194? ) Contax, Russian camera, Nikon F-401s, etc. but never had a dust problem with any of them. I even repaired one of my mirror-reflex cameras with no problems.
I realize that even digital cameras can be served by the manufacturer without problems.

I hope my dream to own a Nikon D70 will come true sometimes. I am not even dreaming about a Nikon D2H
It is not a question of money, but my wife, since I already own a Nikon Coolpix 99, you know…
Difficult to explain her what a digital system camera does.
Fred

[Sasq]

Fred, just tell her you can save lots on film processing

[VJ]

Originally posted by Fred H
You're right, not to read every shit on forums.

Not only that, but commonly, people visit forums when they have issues. A user that doesn't have problems with his camera has less reason to visit a forum.

I am amateur photographer since 195X's and have had a lot of older film-cameras, from Leica (still own one, model 194? ) Contax, Russian camera, Nikon F-401s, etc. but never had a dust problem with any of them. I even repaired one of my mirror-reflex cameras with no problems.
I realize that even digital cameras can be served by the manufacturer without problems.

There is a huge difference: in analog, any dust that is on the negative will only be on one photo; and it will be removed when the film is changed. In digital, it will accumulate as the imaging plane is never changed.

I hope my dream to own a Nikon D70 will come true sometimes. I am not even dreaming about a Nikon D2H
It is not a question of money, but my wife, since I already own a Nikon Coolpix 99, you know…
Difficult to explain her what a digital system camera does.

Yes, many people also seem to be bothered by the fact that you can't make movies with a digital reflex (mirror is in the way). But it is still camera, not a movie camera! You need a mobile phone to do that.

BTW, that D2x also looks nice.....

Jörg

[az]

If you don't already have lenses, the Pentax *Ist D and *Ist DS (those must be the most stupid product names ever devised) are the smallest and lightest around, and the Konica Minolta Dynax/Maxxum 7D is unmatched for available light photography (built-in AntiShake and noise performance similar to the 20D, combine that with a 50/1.4 and you can shoot where you can't see anymore), offers old ways of doing things (dedicated clickwheels for exposure compensation etc.), very accurate and beautiful colors and the best viewfinder in its class.

AZ