IBM drops AMD in North America

[Wombat]

How can you be so pigheaded?

You've got to be kidding me. The VIA chips are FLAWED. They don't perform as they should, and cause data corruption.
The motherboard mfrs. DID follow VIA's guidelines, that's why they ALL had data corruption issues. Name me one that doesn't (before they incorporated the work around into their BIOS).

And Breese's program adds some latency to the transactions. It's a common work-around, especially in chip design: if it doesn't work at XX speed, slow it down. The chip wasn't meant to run this slowly. How, pray tell, does this prove that it isn't a chipset problem?

The only way that Epox "hurled stability overboard" was by choosing to make a motherboard around a VIA chipset solution.

BTW, not all situations demand a 300W supply. There are plenty of AMD boxes out there that work as they should with a good 250 or 235W.


And one little known fact is that VIA has been introducing different versions of their chipset onto the market, without changing version numbers or notifying people. It's made things tough for the Linux guys writing GPL drivers. But, if VIA were going to do stuff like this, why can't they at least slip in a 686B that WORKS?

[Dr Mordrid]

Thanks Wombat. You saved me some typing

Dr. Mordrid

[Guru]

A good 250w psu is enough to power a 1.4GHz t-bird while a cheap noname psu might not be able to!

[The PIT]

Technoid

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"Get real!

Say as it is, YOU dont think that via check their chips!"


I DO THINK THEY TEST THERE CHIPS I'VE ONE LONG ARGUMENT OVER THIS IN THE VIAHARDWARE FORUMS OVER ONE PLONKER WHO SAID VIA DON'T TEST THERE CHIPSETS.

Another thing to remember Via have reconised that they have got a problem with the 686b and working with poeple from viahardware forums have produced a patch/ advised motherboard manufactures to solve this problem. This seems to work in about 80% of cases.

Via have also admitted that they need to improve there tighten there testing procedures so that the 686b/sblive doesn't occur again.

Taking the last two statements you can't deny that Via have a problem. (Not ignoring the fact that Creative have also a little part to play in this) One other thing the data corruption / freezing / crackling can also occur with other soundcards.

What Joel says is basically right how come Abit have loads more problems than anyone else. They've pushed the design to far?? Okay they may sell more but I think the list of complaints more than compensates for this.

Power supplies are another issue that also comes in the ballpark and have an effect on things.

Theres also been one or two posts about the new KT266 and usb which may indicate another problem hopefully not but only time will tell.

[Topha]

http://www.chip-online.com/products_tests/products_tests_5307.html

cheap & fast CPU together with a chep & fast mobo=cheap and fast PC

[The PIT]

First positive review I've seen of this board I wonder if the other reviews are using the older bios.

[Technoid]

Re: How can you be so pigheaded?

Originally posted by Wombat
You've got to be kidding me. The VIA chips are FLAWED. They don't perform as they should, and cause data corruption.
The motherboard mfrs. DID follow VIA's guidelines, that's why they ALL had data corruption issues. Name me one that doesn't (before they incorporated the work around into their BIOS).

And Breese's program adds some latency to the transactions. It's a common work-around, especially in chip design: if it doesn't work at XX speed, slow it down. The chip wasn't meant to run this slowly. How, pray tell, does this prove that it isn't a chipset problem?

The MSI K7T Pro2 that has the 686b chip in our CD burner workstation at work, it was bought when it first debuted, still hasn't been bios uppdated, has a SBLive!! and not a single prob.
VIA 4in1 is version .25.

The only way that Epox "hurled stability overboard" was by choosing to make a motherboard around a VIA chipset solution.

BTW, not all situations demand a 300W supply. There are plenty of AMD boxes out there that work as they should with a good 250 or 235W.

Yes, they do for a while untill the motherboard fails.
This happened to a lot of computer owners who bought the original atlon based boxes.

And one little known fact is that VIA has been introducing different versions of their chipset onto the market, without changing version numbers or notifying people. It's made things tough for the Linux guys writing GPL drivers. But, if VIA were going to do stuff like this, why can't they at least slip in a 686B that WORKS?

FIrst you critizizing them for doing it and then for not doing it.
Make up your mind.
(You have all ready done that but thats another angle)

"How can you be so pigheaded?" I can't as I am a Human.

I will not change my view that it's not entierly VIA's fault since I have sold over 40 computer with MSI via chipset motherboards
that often contained a SBlive and still havent shown any problems.

I have sold 6 computers with Aopen motherboards and they have been a continuosly source of problems.

That makes me belive that its rather Aopen that can't make moterboards than that VIA can't make Chips.

[ALBPM]

Here's another link to the same issue with VIA.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=195556

The problems with VIA are REAL

Paul

[The PIT]

And if you go here.

http://bbs.pcstats.com/viahardware

You can really enjoy yourself. Trouble it gets very boring reading the samething over and over again.

I'm still waiting to here from Via about corruption of data when theres no soundcards fitted at all. I think they're trying ignore that one. True it occurs only very rarely but it happens.

Luckily at work we've got very few Via chipsets say around 1% but out of that I would 70% of those have needed some tweaking to work properly.

[Belwarrior]

Well anyone know where to get the workarounds for via chipsets?

I have a friend who have a problem (MSI K7T266), he assembled 4 pcs with the same configuration but one pc is acting up. The mouse port PS/2 has a problem .. so far i have only read of USB problem with that chipset .. anyone has similar problem?

[The PIT]

Try viahardware forums. Theres someone called Roj whos got a bit of experiance with msi. He's a bit biased about Creative so if your friend has got a Sblive he'll just say chuck that. If you can get him beyond that he may have seen the problem before.