Microsoft declared Windows 98, 95, 3.xx and MS-DOS 6.xx (ALL flavors) "obsolete".

[Technoid]

Did anyone of you realy expect anything else from microsoft??

[DosFreak]

Originally posted by villerk
Well, if you haven't noticed it before, Windows [95/98/Me] isn't an operating system, it's just a grafical interface for DOS. For six years Microsoft has tried to convince people that Windows is something else that DOS, but the fact is that there it still is. XP has finally stopped this nonsense (and NT before that actually). Then again, try to run for example Frontier:Elite or Sam'n'Max from Windows 2000... and it isn't going to get any easier...

All this talk about DOS-emulators is just talk as there aren't any good dosemu's for Windows (Linux is a different matter and dosemu isn't still working 100% properly).

Connectix Virtual PC enables 29 of the 39 out of 424 games that do not work in Windows 2000/XP.

The best PC emulator out there.

[villerk]

Haven't tried that one yet, but VMWare also works almost. The only problem is that it's commercial. With $299 I can buy an old 486 and put my DOS 6.22 into it. Then I could play all my wonderful DOS-based 2D games!

This would be propably the best solution, at least there wouldn't be any BSOD's...

Yeh and when will we be able to "buy" a XP ver that don't look like a fvcking Picasso?

"You got that damn right!" (some Hardcore "song"). I think XP is somewhat the right way to go, as it doesn't allow anyone to install "old" DLL's so noone can fu** up the computer . I personally just wouldn't install it as I have only 256 MB RAM and 500 MHz CPU. I couldn't do anything else that just use the OS... and that "candy"-look just makes me vomit!

[DentyCracker]

Then turn off the fvcking Picasso look dudes. I mean everyone knows that's so fvcking easy to do. Sheeesh!!

[villerk]

But it's even easier to mock it!

[Guru]

Originally posted by DentyCracker
Then turn off the fvcking Picasso look dudes. I mean everyone knows that's so fvcking easy to do. Sheeesh!!

Even the classic look has to much effects for!

[Liquid Snake]

I've tried a few DOS games in Win2K. None had sound (though I haven't tried VDMSound yet). No VESA support also stopped me from playing many games. Oh well, I guess the old Celeron 466 running Win98 isn't completely useless. The integrated video of it really sucks though. I put in an old 2MB Matrox Millennium and DOS games ran several times faster

[Rags]

I don't understand it.

Please explain to me something here. You want to run your old DOS games. How much hardware does it take to run DOS games? What, a 486? You can get a pretty stacked 486 system with a Millenium for 100 bucks without a monitor, you have yourself a cheap DOS system to play your stupid games. Get over it, it's dead. I would rather see them living in today rather than tomorrow.

Rags

[TdB]

TdB

a dos boot-disk is probably the only good solution, IF you can find any good dos drivers, my sb live is utter crap when it comes to dos-compatiblity, my old sb awe64 was way better, and my usb-mouse is not suppoted at all.
if you want to run dos games, don´t throw your old hardware away, you WILL need it.

[Jorden]

Well, if you haven't noticed it before, Windows [95/98/Me] isn't an operating system, it's just a grafical interface for DOS.

If you have read your sites good enough, WinME was the setup for WinXP. Where WinME did have drivers for about all DOS audio cards like ISA cards, WinXP just refuses to acknowledge knowing about them (Stupid from MS, when they say a P2 233 with 128Mb RAM can run WinXP... find me a mobo that runs a P2-233 with an AGP slot and PCI slots only !!)

I don't understand it.

Please explain to me something here. You want to run your old DOS games. How much hardware does it take to run DOS games? What, a 486? You can get a pretty stacked 486 system with a Millenium for 100 bucks without a monitor, you have yourself a cheap DOS system to play your stupid games. Get over it, it's dead. I would rather see them living in today rather than tomorrow.

If you don't play any old DOS games anymore, then you've fallen too low
Besides, without DOS support, all the people trying to play old games need to come to sites like this, and ask us how to setup their memory in EMS to get about 638k free to play their games.

Look, MS brought MS-DOS into the world, they can't expect everyone to quit using it all of a sudden, neither can they expect everyone to update their mobo's and other hardware to WinXP only approved stuff.

Hell, you just bought a complete PC from a secondhand shop and you will be told by Windows Update that you are out of date by 3 weeks, because you should've gotten yourself something else? I think that is a rotten way of MS to say: Get money and a normal job, you flickass, buy something new, so you can run our last OS, which we will sell you at only A VERY LOT OF MONEY for the update !!

Does everyone really need to get up to date every month MS, Intel or AMD, nVidia, ATI or Matrox, Seagate, Maxtor, IBM or Western Digital brings out anything new? I don't think so!!!

You can only afford that if you're royal or if your name is Bill Gates. If your name is the latter, I say: **** you !!

Jord.

[Rags]

If you have read your sites good enough, WinME was the setup for WinXP. Where WinME did have drivers for about all DOS audio cards like ISA cards, WinXP just refuses to acknowledge knowing about them (Stupid from MS, when they say a P2 233 with 128Mb RAM can run WinXP... find me a mobo that runs a P2-233 with an AGP slot and PCI slots only !!)

Dude, you are seriously mistaken. WinME was the last hurrah for win9x and legacy devices period. It may have tried to put the last squeeze on getting rid of DOS for good at last, but that's the only contribution it has for XP. XP is more NT4 like than it is WinME like.

If you don't play any old DOS games anymore, then you've fallen too low

If you are building a new system and a few DOS games is affecting your choice on hardware, you are a moron. Keep your old system and cope. It's called progress....p r o g r e s s.

Besides, without DOS support, all the people trying to play old games need to come to sites like this, and ask us how to setup their memory in EMS to get about 638k free to play their games.

I guess you have a point there.

Look, MS brought MS-DOS into the world, they can't expect everyone to quit using it all of a sudden,

This is not a sudden thing. DOS and legacy support was penned for phase out beginning with PC96 specs, and Win95 and NT were the first steps, OEM's looking to upgrade their networks and such have had more than enough time to deal with it.

neither can they expect everyone to update their mobo's and other hardware to WinXP only approved stuff.

No one is forcing anyone to upgrade. It's just if you want to play the software of tomorrow you are going to have to make sacrafices. Big shock. If you don't like it, then keep your old system no one is holding a gun to your head.

Hell, you just bought a complete PC from a secondhand shop and you will be told by Windows Update..SNIP

Stop right there. That is not legal by contract, the licensing dictates that you must purchase a new license for that machine. Even if it wasn't, then don't update. So your windows will be unsecure and buggy....what's new?

I think that is a rotten way of MS to say: Get money and a normal job, you flickass, buy something new, so you can run our last OS, which we will sell you at only A VERY LOT OF MONEY for the update !!

They aren't saying that, they are saying "We have been telling you for years we were going to do this, if you have the hardware, we got the new operating system. If you want the latest and greatest, then you have to pay. If not, keep what you have and hope the software developers continue to support your obsolete OS. By the way here's a date when support will cease, get your updates now or forever hold your peace."

Does everyone really need to get up to date every month MS, Intel or AMD, nVidia, ATI or Matrox, Seagate, Maxtor, IBM or Western Digital brings out anything new? I don't think so!!!

MS has been the slowest of all the above named about moving out with new models, so in a way they are a bit better (for the one's whining...'Oh boo hoo, I cannot play tetris for DOS, boo hoo I cannot get updates indefinitely, boo hoo I have to buy XP to get current support')



Come on people, it's time to move on. The dog has been limping, is half blind, has horrible arthritis, and is completely deaf. Put a bullet in it and let it die. It's about time!!

Rags

[Jorden]

Originally posted by Rags

Dude, you are seriously mistaken. WinME was the last hurrah for win9x and legacy devices period. It may have tried to put the last squeeze on getting rid of DOS for good at last, but that's the only contribution it has for XP. XP is more NT4 like than it is WinME like.

WinME was trying out a couple of things for WinXP, just as Win2k was trying out a couple of things for WinXP.

Yet the problem stays, what used to work in WinME/Win2k without extra drivers from the outside, won't work in WinXP. Kiss your old hardware goodbye

If you are building a new system and a few DOS games is affecting your choice on hardware, you are a moron. Keep your old system and cope. It's called progress....p r o g r e s s.

Or keep your old system next to your old system

No one is forcing anyone to upgrade. It's just if you want to play the software of tomorrow you are going to have to make sacrafices. Big shock. If you don't like it, then keep your old system no one is holding a gun to your head.

In a way they are forcing you to upgrade, since the lowest version you may be able to install WinXP on is still that P2 233. So I still challenge you to get me a P2 mobo without ISA slots. And since ISA slots are not used in WinXP a lot of people who install it on their system are **ahum-ed**

Ever seen an ISDN card from last year? Only this year they are in PCI flavour at a normal price here in Holland. You want anyone to find an ISDN card driver for ISA for WinXP? LOL
And no, a friend of mine checked WinXP and his ISDN card, plus his Win2k drivers... now in Win2k the drivers wouldn't work much, in WinXP even less. He did a reformat, reinstalled WinME and presto, everything worked again... tsk... must be us Dutch or Europeans

Stop right there. That is not legal by contract, the licensing dictates that you must purchase a new license for that machine.

ROFL... point me to one person who has legally bought his WIn98/SE/ME/2k around here, will ya?

I sure haven't, and I can update my Windows. I'm sure your copied version can on all of your "other" PC's as well

they are saying "We have been telling you for years we were going to do this, if you have the hardware, we got the new operating system. If you want the latest and greatest, then you have to pay. If not, keep what you have and hope the software developers continue to support your obsolete OS. By the way here's a date when support will cease, get your updates now or forever hold your peace."

Sounds dubiously like: "We have a new DirectX for you... try it on your videocard. Oh, it doesn't work? Oh shit, well, on our GeFlinger 3 it worked okay, why not get one?"
and "We tried it on our latest ATI card, and it works perfectly okay here"
and: "Don't mail us for questions about your Matrox card not working... goto www.murc.ws and ask further"

MS has been the slowest of all the above named about moving out with new models, so in a way they are a bit better (for the one's whining...'Oh boo hoo, I cannot play tetris for DOS, boo hoo I cannot get updates indefinitely, boo hoo I have to buy XP to get current support')

That I agree on

Come on people, it's time to move on. The dog has been limping, is half blind, has horrible arthritis, and is completely deaf. Put a bullet in it and let it die. It's about time!!

That I don't... not as long as stupid WinXP refuses to recognize my adsl modem, which should be state of the art hardware.

Jord.

[GinoCyber]

'And since ISA slots are not used in WinXP'

I have a P2B-F running XP and my isa midi interface is running fine.

Ciao

[Rags]

WinME was trying out a couple of things for WinXP, just as Win2k was trying out a couple of things for WinXP.

What? System restore? That's the only thing I can see.

Yet the problem stays, what used to work in WinME/Win2k without extra drivers from the outside, won't work in WinXP. Kiss your old hardware goodbye

That's totally inaccurate. 90 percent of current hardware is supported natively. Yes, even ISA.

Or keep your old system next to your old system

That was one of my suggestions as well.

In a way they are forcing you to upgrade, since the lowest version you may be able to install WinXP on is still that P2 233. So I still challenge you to get me a P2 mobo without ISA slots. And since ISA slots are not used in WinXP a lot of people who install it on their system are **ahumed**

P3B-F. ISA slots are still useful in XP, just certain mfrs have chosen not to update their win2k drivers to work with XP. I don't know where you got the "NO ISA IN XP" info, but it's totally inaccurate.

Ever seen an ISDN card from last year? Only this year they are in PCI flavour at a normal price here in Holland. You want anyone to find an ISDN card driver for ISA for WinXP? LOL

What brand? Give me an example.

And no, a friend of mine checked WinXP and his ISDN card, plus his Win2k drivers... now in Win2k the drivers wouldn't work much, in WinXP even less. He did a reformat, reinstalled WinME and presto, everything worked again... tsk... must be us Dutch or Europeans

Anecdotes, aren't they just so useful. Brand and model of ISDN card. Chances are your mate didn't know how to set it up. Tsk, don't bring nationality into this.

ROFL... point me to one person who has legally bought his WIn98/SE/ME/2k around here, will ya?

I have. I pay for all my OS's and all the software I keep, thank you very much. Anyhow, you were referring to some poor sole going to a pawn shop and purchasing a second hand PC, not the thiefs of the world.

I sure haven't, and I can update my Windows. I'm sure your copied version can on all of your "other" PC's can as well

You are a hypocrite. You are bashing Bill Gates for all these things and you have never bought an OS. Shame shame. Don't call me a thief, I don't copy my OS's, I purchase them.

Sounds dubiously like: "We have a new DirectX for you... try it on your videocard. Oh, it doesn't work? Oh shit, well, on our GeFlinger 3 it worked okay, why not get one?"
and "We tried it on our latest ATI card, and it works perfectly okay here"
and: "Don't mail us for questions about your Matrox card not working... goto www.murc.ws and ask further"

Don't be a moron. They have compatiblity lists and mfr's have sites with all their drivers and supported OS's listed. That's quite a bit different than what you are trying to portray.

That I don't... not as long as stupid WinXP refuses to recognize my adsl modem, which should be state of the art hardware.

Jord.

What is your issue with your modem? Sounds like a code 18 to me. Setting up a ppoe for ADSL is a bit different than what it was in win2k and winme. XP supports it out of the box and can be setup for it without the crappy software you normally have to install. Again, code 18.

Rags

[Jorden]

I have a P2B-F running XP and my isa midi interface is running fine.

Does your ISA midi interface have a name? Is the rest of your soundcard working okay? Does that soundcard sit in the same ISA slot, and if yes, what is it's name?