LCD Monitors and gaming and DVDs

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Sasq
Hmm. In Australia I had a few trade accounts, with a few of the companies I could ask for a demo unit. Might be worth narrowing down you selection and pulling a favour or two and getting one to play with for a few days to see if you like it.

Interesting proposal I'll get back to you on it.

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Sasq
Hmm. In Australia I had a few trade accounts, with a few of the companies I could ask for a demo unit. Might be worth narrowing down you selection and pulling a favour or two and getting one to play with for a few days to see if you like it.

Well looking at two and neither specs mention pixel rate.

1) IIyma Pro Lite 4635 18 incher
2) Sony Multiscan SDM M81 18.1 incher.

[Duty]

I have a Sylvania 17in LCD. I currently use it as my secondary monitor, but tonight I'll swap it over and tect it with rtcw, red faction and JK2.

I'll post the results later tonight.


Jeff

[Michel Carleer]

I have the Iiyama AS4431D 17.4".
It really is great with a response of 25msec (full on/off/on cycle), so no ghosting at all. What is nice is that in addition to speed and a high contrast ratio of 450:1, it also sports VGA, DVI, Composite and S-Video inputs. Plus an USB repeater.
First problem, it is quite pricey.
Second and certainly worst problem, Iiyama don't make it anymore.
They only have crap slow and washed out but cheap models now.
Michka

[The PIT]

They do one witha response of 35ms. However how good is that??

[Gurm]

TRUST me you want 25ms. Otherwise gaming is just silly ugly.

- Gurm

[Greebe]

You really want a sub 40 response time... I've been eyeing Cornerstones f2300 23.1" VIS LCD... fine #'s on that puppy... 400:1 contrast, 25ms response time... drool (if I could only afford snif snif)

[Greebe]

Just get a Cornerstone p1650 or p1750 and be done with it

[Indiana]

I've got both, a Iiyama VisionMaster Pro510 and a TFT with 25 ms response-time, and while I don't notice major ghosting on the TFT, I'd prefer the CRT anytime, and this especially for video-content.
For office-apps and sometimes even games the TFT is a nice match, but the TFTs are even farther from having "natural" colors than CRT (best here is IMO still a TVOut - best coupled with DVDMax), besides the TFTs have a more "pixelized" image (don't know how describe it better in english) which I find a bit distracting when viewing video material.

[Michel Carleer]

Indiana,
If it is true that the response time is very important, so is also the contrast ratio.
The "pixelation" you are talking about is due to the fact that LCD's with too low a contrast don't show enough shades of nearly black and nearly white (the response curve is s-shaped).
With the new models having 400 and even 450 to 1 ratios, the video picture is almost perfect.
CRT's are still beter but affordable LCD's have made huge progresses in the last few months.
Michka

[Ali]

Right now I have a Dell 2000fp 20 inch flatpanel in front of me, and slightly off to my right is a CTX 2085 20 inch CRT monitor.

For everything I use the flat panel! The CRT is only used for Help files, and Data Flow Diagrams.

I dont know what the pixel delay is, but you dont notice it in games.
DVDs look much better on it. something to do with it being flat I suppose.

Text is just wonderfull

Im running it at 1280*1024 although its native res is 1600*1200.

Once Matrox bring out a card that will double feed the DVI Ill buy that and Im sure it will be better.

I hightly recomend the 2000fp to anybody, no mater what they use their computers for.

Oh, somebody earlier said they dont know who makes the screens for Dell. When I turn the fp on, it say something about PixelView if that means anything to you.

Ali

Edit, just checked, says "Powered By PixelWorks", not PixelView.

[isochar]

The Sony SDM-M81 and S81 have 50ms response times.

[Indiana]

Originally posted by Michel Carleer
Indiana,
If it is true that the response time is very important, so is also the contrast ratio.
The "pixelation" you are talking about is due to the fact that LCD's with too low a contrast don't show enough shades of nearly black and nearly white (the response curve is s-shaped).
Michka

I think know what you mean, but this is not the pixelized look I was talking about. The pixelation you mean is a bit similar to those effects of mpeg compression with those blocky artifacts especially in dark scenes? My TFT doesn't have this - at least not noticeably.

What I meant is that with those TFTs a unicolored area (e.g. the blue windows2k desktop) is not as "homogenous" as on a CRT - i.e. you can nearly see that it consists of single pixels of the same color, more than it being really an unicolored area as it appears on a CRT.

[az]

This "pixelation" effect is due to the fact that you can see the transistors driving the LCD, which produces a kind of "grid" (my Iiyama Diamondtron tubes have this effect, too, but not that noticeably) - great for windows paint, though

And Ali: There is a card called g550 DualDVI - which, of course, would not give you very high fps in games.. but hey, there's always headcasting, and I hear BridgeBuilder works on it

AZ

[Greebe]

pixelworks