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  • #16
    Electric Amish, do Lexmark still make speaking printers?
    Sat on a pile of deads, I enjoy my oysters.

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    • #17
      Just get an HP. I have replaced the cartidges once since I got mine. Big f***ing deal. The things are fast, quiet, work well, generally don't break like Epsons do, take up less space, print quality is much better.. this is coming from a former Epson owner (no wait.. the thing is still sitting in another room gathering dust.. I need to find a suitable end for its noisy, broken ass...)

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      • #18
        My two cents worth ...

        Epson will give you superior print quality ... (wait for it)

        1) IF you use top quality paper
        2) Can stand the row when its printing

        Yes it does have cheap ink cartridges

        I quit using my Epson when the bloody thing started putting weird red lines over the project !!

        Now I use

        HP 970cxi

        Bloody expensive cartridges (colour)

        but ..

        1) Prints real good on plain paper
        2) Is it printing ?? (So quiet you wouldn't know its printing)



        If its ultimate quality your after (why are you using bubblejet??) Go for the latest Epson. The new one even prints DIRECTLY onto cd faces .. No Labels required !!

        But be prepared to ONLY use good quality paper !! (which can be just as expensive as ink!!)

        I print off box covers for the weddings i film etc...

        And found that the HP was better for this sort of lark !!
        Paul ... Peterborough ..Uk

        ....Ex- Perth ...WA .....

        The ( EX) Forrestfield Flyer

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Drizzt
          Electric Amish, do Lexmark still make speaking printers?
          It's the software, but yes.

          amish
          Despite my nickname causing confusion, I have no religious affiliations.

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          • #20
            I shut the voice off on my sons Lexmark printer. He being 4 years old thought it was cool, but it drove everyone else nuts.

            Dr. Mordrid
            Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 30 August 2002, 10:58.
            Dr. Mordrid
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            An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

            I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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            • #21
              Canon S520 or S750...individual ink tanks that are cheap with 25year fade-free photos.....
              Let us return to the moon, to stay!!!

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              • #22
                Yes, that's another BIG consideration. HP's ink is does fade (their new ink does this less than the older ones, and the black one doesn't at all, but they fade nonetheless) from UV, while canon's doesn't. It's the only one that doesn't, IIRC.

                And HPs have to be calibrated once, too.

                AZ
                There's an Opera in my macbook.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by az
                  Get a Tektronix Phaser - no more worrying about black ink - it's free

                  AZ
                  Till you have to replace one of the color bricks in it...only what 80 bucks or so per color? LOL
                  Why is it called tourist season, if we can't shoot at them?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Electric Amish


                    It's the software, but yes.

                    amish
                    A friend of mine had one few year ago that spoke by itself. I mean, the voice was from the printer and not from the PC.
                    It was funny
                    Sat on a pile of deads, I enjoy my oysters.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by az
                      Yes, that's another BIG consideration. HP's ink is does fade (their new ink does this less than the older ones, and the black one doesn't at all, but they fade nonetheless) from UV, while canon's doesn't. It's the only one that doesn't, IIRC.

                      And HPs have to be calibrated once, too.

                      AZ
                      Actually, the Epson Photo line and the new HP's with PhotoRetIV also give you fade-free prints. The Epson 2000P with its resin-based inks even gives you 200years fade-free.

                      The main reason to get the Canons is the individual/clear color tanks and the $12 black cartridge that lasts just as long as those $30 HP and $40 Lexmark cartridges.

                      Check out the ZDNet printer reviews where they actually measure cost per page.

                      Canon 2.1cents
                      Epson 3.4cents
                      HP around 4 cents
                      Lexmark around 8 cents...
                      Let us return to the moon, to stay!!!

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                      • #26
                        FanBoy: Last time I checked, black ink was free for Phasers. I mean, free supply.

                        Of course this was back when they were Tektronix, not Kyocera.

                        AZ
                        There's an Opera in my macbook.

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                        • #27
                          I agree about the lower price/print of those black Canon carts. WTF do HP and Lexmark think, that they're stuff is gold plated? Not to mention that the carts in the one Lexmark we have run out awfully fast considering they aren't used that much.

                          No wonder the reload kits are selling like hotcakes....

                          Dr. Mordrid
                          Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 30 August 2002, 14:33.
                          Dr. Mordrid
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                          • #28
                            According to c't, the ink for the Epson 580 will fade less than the ink for both canon s400 and hp dj930c.

                            Cost per page (black) is 2.86 euro-cents for the canon, 6.7 c for the epson, and 5.13 c for the hp.
                            Color: canon is 0.75 for cyan, 2.62 for magenty, and 2.57 for yellow. epson: 9.39, and hp: 11.03 cents.

                            AZ
                            There's an Opera in my macbook.

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                            • #29
                              Ya know Doc, I've seen the numbers, and Canon must just be using inexpensive tech. There isn't some 200% markup on HP cartridges - those print heads are expensive to manufacture.
                              Gigabyte P35-DS3L with a Q6600, 2GB Kingston HyperX (after *3* bad pairs of Crucial Ballistix 1066), Galaxy 8800GT 512MB, SB X-Fi, some drives, and a Dell 2005fpw. Running WinXP.

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                              • #30
                                With Lexmark and HP you replace the printhead every time you replace the cartridge (not on all HP's anymore, however). Very unnecessary waste. On the Canon, however, the printhead is replacable should it go bad, but is designed for the life of the printer. With epson, the printhead is build into the printer and is not replacable whatsoever...
                                Let us return to the moon, to stay!!!

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