GeForce FX is announced...

[Indiana]

Afronaut, please enlighten me: what exactly does this thread have to do with the Parhelias anisotropic filtering??!?

[Marshmallowman]

colour compression, my mistake.

some how the tie it in with there edge AA?

something to do with floating point colour?

[DGhost]

well, the theory with how it affects anti aliasing is that the contingent pixels with similar color values will compress better and it will be able to transfer pixels, whereas contingent pixels that do not have similar color values (like the color difference most typically found on poly edges in a scene) will not compress as well and as a result will be slower than the "base" level of performance. it should (in theory) result in much lower memory bandwidth use while in AA modes. this should also increase performance in other areas (scenes that use large amounts of the same or similar colors, ie black in Doom3) since its not limited to only being enabled in AA modes.

as far as being similar to edge AA... it pretty much has nothing to do with edge AA, except that a majority of the pixels that won't compress easily (and thus will eat more bandwidth) are usually at polygon edges.

Edge AA is still quite superior as far as AA methods go, Parhelias implementation just needs improvements.

[Ali]

Well, I was wondering if I made a bad choice buying a 9700Pro about a month ago. Looks like I didnt.

I would have expected the NV30 to be a 8x2 pixel/texel design, which I think would have been useful. Its not though.

The high clock speed is nice, but expected.

The adapteve AF is nice, but I have that.

As it is, my 2200+ CPU is holding back my video card, what would I gain by buying a new card that will be at most 20% faster, and only with FSAA enabled? Seems like nVidia missed the boat this time.

Oh, the fancy shaders will never be used beforethe card is out of date.

Ali

[Novdid]

I got a 9700Pro 2 weeks ago and I'm not regretting that I got it. The only regret would be that I maybe want to go skiing a couple of weeks this winter, and then maybe the money I spent on the Radeon would be useful.

To be honest, I hope this thing will spank the living hell out of the 9700Pro, and being released 6 months after the Radeon it should do exactly that. This will hopefully generate a response from ATI, M and whoever else that manufacture these things.

An god I hate paper launches, I know many people that kind of are nvidiots that were almost on their way to get a 9700Pro, and now they are holding of what they think is 4 months(in reality 6-8 months cause we live in sweden) to get a GFFX.

[chaoliang]

Originally posted by Novdid
I got a 9700Pro 2 weeks ago and I'm not regretting that I got it. [...]

Hi Novdid: How do you compare the 2D quality of 9700Pro and Matrox cards? (I don't know which ones you have used.) Thanks.

[WyWyWyWy]

Matrox fanboys and fps guys, remember one thing, competition is always good for us consumers!!!

[borat]

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Great Matrox "Piss on thread"....

How's your Anisotropic at 2x doing? Matrox is still working to get it fixed right?



This card looks awsome.
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its coming on just a little bit better than nvis's 2d quality id say, and ohh yeah weve only got to wait another 4 months for this card, great! ill stick with my 3 screens for now thanks very much.
piss on that nvidia
credit where its due the card looks good on paper, the heatsink is a good idea as i dont buy a card to look at it as it appears some do here but i now need 3 screens i wont comprimise on 2d quality and i really do not play enough games to warrant any thing over my parhelia at the present, i know of no current title that it cannot play to my satisfaction. its not perfect but neither will gf fx be it just depends which is best for you.

[Pace]

People tend to miss the fact that while Matrox might be outclassed on 3D features, I've yet to see a card that can outclass them out the final 3D output sharpness and vibrance. Image quality isn't *just* feaures like anisotropic filtering, but also the quality of the components delivering the image to your monitor.

Still doesn't excuse the Parhelia aniso limitation, but that's for another thread...

So then, GeForce FX indeed. When can we buy it? Did someone say paper release?

[Nuno]

Well, things look brigther for ATI now. NV30 doesn´t do anything that R300 can´t do (yeah, like 1024 pixel shader instructions per pass could be rendered at playable framerates...) and it´ll be severely crippled by its 128-bit bus.

It has a lower polygon troughoutput than R300 per clock basis.

Even R300 will be competitive with NV30, I think, but if ATI releases the R350 on time, things will be hard for the GefartFX.

[Afronaut]

The glass is always 3/4 empty on this board in regards to any other product. But with glaring faults of the dIVINE Matrox products over the years , you have to be hackneyed thinking at this point that there is a difference or an advantage that Matrox holds over the rest of the market. Triple head gaming?

The malcontent for any product that is not Matox is infantile at best. Which leads us to this naysaying thread. I was looking at the Parhelia at one point. The PR proclamation for the Parhelia was inaccurate and the performance had to be explained once again. I bought a 9700Pro and am satisfied.

The NV30 is an exciting product. Period. Your frivolous dogma concerning the Holy Matrox has been a source for my Amusement for a while now. It is consistant and never failing.

[thop]

afronaut, i partly agree with you. however if you've had read the faq you would've have noticed that this is a matrox users resource centre and everybody can fanboy as much as he likes

[borat]

afronaut the reason we hail matrox is because they deliver what we want, if nvidia delivered it we'd hail them. its just the people here want different things to those on the ati and nvid forums we praise matrox because they do the best job in filling our needs just like nvid and ati fill the needs for there consumers/fanboys. no malace intended.

[Afronaut]

I've yet to see a card that can outclass them out the final 3D output sharpness and vibrance.

At 800x600 the Vibrance is always greater. With that system of yours you have yet to see a quaility display in a game. You are invalid as a connoisseur of quaility.

[borat]

pace u got a p havent u?