Healthy, active, online, but not there?

[Gurm]

Norton is useless nowadays. I kept it because I trusted their AV (still do, it's just bloated) and their Utilities.

But starting a version or two ago, the Utilities finds errors and refuses to fix them. Instead it schedules a repair on reboot - but it no longer runs in reboot mode. Instead it just called CHKDSK, which fails to even FIND the errors that Norton flagged.

I'm sure it'll get better again, but you know what? Ontrack EZ Recovery fixes the errors WITHOUT rebooting.

So now the ONLY Norton program to grace my system is Ghost. Everything else has been superseded whilst they rested on their laurels. Oops.

- Gurm

[cjolley]

I still use Norton & like it.
But I have notice a strange shrinkage of features over time.
eg
1, Speed Disk has many fewer option on how to arange files.
2, When I drop a file on Wipe Info now it just opens the program and invites me to drag the file into it's window insted of just quietly processing the file.
3. It won't run Speed Disk against my wife's win98 disk any more. Says it can't use the Intel controler driver. WTF?

The main reason I keep it now is that I wait for those upgrade rebate deals and get the new versions for free

chuck

PS, I hate McAfee. It has become the Major Bloat-Ware of the Universe™

[az]

Both firms have slept through the slow overtaking of NTFS (with the widely-used Win2k and now even the consumer OS WinXP).

AZ

[The PIT]

Got to agree Nortons is getting less useful. Windoctor doesn't go far enougth, it helps, but could do more. NDD like Gurm says just calls chkdsk and sometimes forgets to that. Chkdsk is fairly useless anyway. Speed disk is slow on ntfs and can have sulky moods.
To upgrade to 2003 you need to remove all traces of 2002 or it just falls over and takes your machine with it. Or if it doesn't fall over certain bits won't work.
The uninstallers suck and leave junk on the hard drive yet there easy too find so why can't nortons write the uninstaller properly.

[Gurm]

Bad uninstallers is my pet peeve.

You PUT THE STUFF THERE, WHY CAN'T YOU TAKE IT AWAY AGAIN?

- Gurm

[mutz]

That, more or less, is EXACTLY how I got in this mess!

Goback was installed on C:. WtF was it doing messing with D:?

If you check the NSW Pro 2003 CD, there's nothing on it newer than August 2002 and Goback is April 2002. Liveupdate is supposed to keep it going for a year?

The little Gbtool buried in the CD, Gb_Prog.exe, that is supposed to fix the MBR that GB had messed with is undocumented.

On the Symantec Support site they only talk about using it with Win 98/ME. Do I dare run it on a XP NTFS partition? I can only run it on C:. How do I direct it to D: (ex-D drive)?

I'm more likely to hang myself on both drives if I take the chance.

This is supposed to be a Professional product???

[mutz]

...dangerous thoughts...

Thinking of installing GoBack again, see if it opens up the ex-D again, then uninstall it and forget it.

...am I nuts?

[cjolley]

Originally posted by mutz
...dangerous thoughts...

...

...am I nuts?

yes
chuck

[mutz]

Yes Chuck, I know I'm nuts, but am I nuts to reinstall Goback in the hope it will rectify anything?

...of course if it doesn't work, I might go really, really, really nuts and do something I might never regret.

[dshumake]

If you want to play around with the MBR try the Ranish partition manager http://www.ranish.com/part/ .

I have found that when a disk can no longer be accessed this program works. Just make sure to copy/print out everything that is listed for your disk prior to making any changes. Also read all of the documentation. Because the file only works on the MBR all your data is safe, as long as you can recreate an appropriate MBR.

dshumake

[Wombat]

If the data is that valuable, get your hands on another HD, even temporarily, so you can move the image over and toy with it.

[mutz]

I just dropped a link talking about Ranish and what Goback does in the MBR. Apparently there is a lot more to it than Hidden and Type 44. Some people have gotten quite a mess trying to second guess what Goback did in there.

Think I'd better stick with getting Symantec to straighten it out.

I got one e-mail reply from them basicly brushing me off and sending me to their knowledge base, which I have obiously read better than them. Old stuff.

I gave them a very cold burning in return, basically telling them to get their act together. We'll see what comes back.

So far, there are over 2,000 views on this thread and a few others I've got going out there. I've gotten far, far more help and support here and a bit in others, than from Symantec or anywhere else.

I thank you guys, and now I'm going to burn Symantec's ass every way I find.

[mutz]

BTW, I forgot to mention this.

A GoBack altered NTFS MBR is no longer a proper NTFS partition, that is why it is listed under DiskPart as UNKNOWN....!!!!?

[Zao]

GoBack isn't a program, it's a virus...

[mutz]

...like the EFS delayed recycle bin.

Look what Power Quest has to say...