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**Ribbit** · 28 August 2003, 05:10

They were showing something similar a year or two ago as I recall. They're sure taking their sweet time developing this. Or is it another completely new design?

**Kurt** · 28 August 2003, 15:46

hmmm...yeah...wasn't there an AGP slot on the passé model?

**bsdgeek** · 28 August 2003, 15:57

So when do we get to see this in a retail device?

**Jon P. Inghram** · 28 August 2003, 16:20

Bah, real men prototype with discrete components!

**Nappe1** · 28 August 2003, 16:49

Ribbit: stuff that they showed on Asm2002 was actually 90% finished Acceleon G10. and afaik, NEC already uses it on some early 3g cellular phones. After that, 'boys have been busy designing two bigger models G20 and G30.

Jon P. Inghram: yeah, yeah... it was all about that back then when Amiga 1000 was developed.

bsdgeek: They mentioned that they do have customers but those deals weren't public yet. Guesstimate is something between next week and during next 12 months. And of course, as unconfirmed info, as early as in january this year NEC had working prototype 3g phones with Acceleon G10.

In any case, design is finished for all three models (G10, G20, G30) and is available as core license.

Kurt: that was actually Axe card. (I was the poster back then as well. ) Axe was / is last PC-product (or try out) that Bitboys designed. it consist 12 MB eDRAM and DX8 feature set. (PS 1.1 & VS 1.1) I don't know what's the situation of demo cards right now (Infineon, who was the responsible providing fab, pulled back from deal and Bitboys was left with 100% finished card for special fab, without fab line making them.), but a year ago they were waiting new set of chips from Infineon, because first set had some sort of screw up on Infineon side. (causing 70% chip to shortcut.) After Axe, Bitboys tried once more with codename Hammer, but they run out of money and had to look for new direction.

and now?? well, last years last quater they did net profit! (can you believe that??) and in interview they say now being "income funded" (bad translation, but you get the idea.

)

as I said on spring time, I have been on summer holiday and actually I am still using dial up, but on sunday I'll be back!

**bsdgeek** · 28 August 2003, 16:54

Nappe1: Makes sense, will be neat to see some devices out, maybe using G30?

Also, I heard Axe ran really hot and they were going to do one more revision to fix that. Was that Hammer? (Or the new set of chips from Infineon?)

I know it really doesn't matter, since it's all done and nothing happened, but it is fun!

**Nappe1** · 28 August 2003, 17:02

Originally posted by bsdgeek
Nappe1: Makes sense, will be neat to see some devices out, maybe using G30?

Also, I heard Axe ran really hot and they were going to do one more revision to fix that. Was that Hammer? (Or the new set of chips from Infineon?)

I know it really doesn't matter, since it's all done and nothing happened, but it is fun!

Hot? well, you can say that...

even with most efficient air cooling device from computer cooling shop, chip smelted off from PCB within 30 seconds. This was the chip revision that was founded being 70% shortcutted shortly after.)

I don't know what happened to next shipment chips. So, there's possibility that there is Axe cards that are shown only to V.I.P...
(afaik, drivers were ready even before the chip was. thanks to 100% software simulation, drivers could be developed at the same time as the chip) The official word is that Axe has been put on "ice", what ever that means in this case.

Hammer never made to the silicon. Still, it would have had much lmore differences than Glaze3D and Axe had. (Axe was based on work done for Glaze3D.)

**bsdgeek** · 28 August 2003, 17:29

Originally posted by Nappe1
Hot? well, you can say that... even with most efficient air cooling device from computer cooling shop, chip smelted off from PCB within 30 seconds. This was the chip revision that was founded being 70% shortcutted shortly after.)

I don't know what happened to next shipment chips. So, there's possibility that there is Axe cards that are shown only to V.I.P...
(afaik, drivers were ready even before the chip was. thanks to 100% software simulation, drivers could be developed at the same time as the chip) The official word is that Axe has been put on "ice", what ever that means in this case.

Hammer never made to the silicon. Still, it would have had much lmore differences than Glaze3D and Axe had. (Axe was based on work done for Glaze3D.)

Hehe, that certainly could be a problem, and I assume by most efficient air cooling device you mean dustbuster?

It's pretty cool what they can do with those simulators. (IKOS box?)

**Chrono_Wanderer** · 29 August 2003, 20:16

LOL more things coming from Bitboys Oy! Always nice to see more "competition".

But where is their GeForce 3 kller anyways?

and speaking of killers, where are the S3 DeltaChromes (supposeddly to be the first 0.13um 8 pixel pipeline core

), and where are the Trident XP4s? I thought they were shipping it last year

So many darm vapourware, its not even funny. Well, the funny thing is ATI and nV are still the only 2 players in the gaming industry. HAHA. I thought this was supposed to change...

Oh yea...

nevertheless,

Great news Nappe1! Really apperciate it! At least we know they are going into the PDA market for real!

I wonder how they get money for RnD without any product release over the past 10 yeras :|

**bsdgeek** · 29 August 2003, 21:15

DeltaChrome is supposed to be available this winter, and Trident merged with SiS graphics to form XGI, who knows what the deal is there.

**Chrono_Wanderer** · 29 August 2003, 21:23

hmm... great news bsdgeek!

Can't wait for DeltaChrome to come out! Though their drivers must suck (1st reason is VIA, 2nd reason is S3 themselves

).

and wow! never knew Trident merged with SiS graphics... lol...

I am so outdated then

**Nappe1** · 30 August 2003, 01:27

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer

I am so outdated then

maybe if you would start to read previous posts before posting, you might know much more than now...

"The GeForce3 Killer" is mentioned in my previous post with explanation what happened to it. and what comes to XP4, it did came out already on Jan-Feb time frame and there was even some cards announced, but it was awfully slow. (plus Trident did try to some nVidia/ATi style "optimizations" on 3DMark2001SE... ...and even get caught on that.)

**Nappe1** · 30 August 2003, 01:32

and what comes to S3's drivers, there's quite lot of ppl saying that old S3 (that has almost 0% to do with nowadays S3, because 90% of Staff has changed.) did actually have pretty good driver team and their problem was the hardware and it's faults.

And well... ATi's Catalyst team has quite lot old S3 driver team members, so... antoher reason to believe that HW sucked. if we look ATi's drivers now and 3 years ago, I could say that frog has turned to prince. (but not the king.)

**Nappe1** · 30 August 2003, 01:45

Originally posted by bsdgeek

1. Hehe, that certainly could be a problem, and I assume by most efficient air cooling device you mean dustbuster?

2. It's pretty cool what they can do with those simulators. (IKOS box?)

1. actually, we are talking about very heavy duty copper sink and coolers for CPUs in this case. Still, pretty hot.

2. well, what you see in the picture, is actually something like IKOS box. But because chip is going to be a lot smaller than nowadays desktop monsters, it won't need so much room. In case of bitboys, they developed their own synthetic tools, which allows them basically use programming language close to C to design chips. As well as they have software that runs this language as 100% identical on clock level. (developing their own tools for ASIC design was the main reason to Glaze3D delays.)

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Bitboys Acceleon FPGA board. (as seen at Asm 2003.)

Bitboys Acceleon FPGA board. (as seen at Asm 2003.)

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