VIA Releases Free HyperTransport™ Analyzer Utility for AMD64 Based Motherboards

[Chrono_Wanderer]

here we go again. if you want an answer you like why do you post here? (Since you know what the replys are)

this is just other people's opinion :rolleye:

[Chrono_Wanderer]

all we can say is, let's hope they may get it right this time....

[funky-d-munky]

Doc, I expect so much more from you. Were talking about a brand new architecture here, and you bring up crap about KT266a? Not biased my blank.

Wombat again all your fact points have NOTHING to do with the thread. Again how many reponces to this thread yet no one has brought any fact of the new K8 sytems to the table. What point are you trying to make.? Ya you hate VIA, so what, big deal. Get over it. The topic of this thread is not "VIA is the best, please debate here"

GT98 "Well 99% past performance is normally indicative of future performance"

Well SiS used to make some crappy MB's. Intel made 256kb L2 400bus P4's, Matrox made the G400 ect.. ect..
When companies design a completely new architecture it is guesswork who will be the best.

[GT98]

Originally posted by funky-d-munky

Well SiS used to make some crappy MB's. Intel made 256kb L2 400bus P4's, Matrox made the G400 ect.. ect..
When companies design a completely new architecture it is guesswork who will be the best.

But with Via you can see they didnt do much with fixing the PCI problem from the KT133 to the KT266.

I'm not gonna say that their new K8 board sucks yet...but they have alot to prove that it doesnt..just because of Via poor past performance. I'll give them the time of day but I'm not expecting much from them just due to what problems they had in the past. I used to have a Radeon and my old man used to have a Rage...the drivers SUCKED! I was very leary when I got a Radeon 8500, but the drivers didnt suck too bad and ever since then they have gotten alot better. I have no problems recomending a ATI product now...only problem they have is they dont have a good uninstaller of their drivers yet

[funky-d-munky]

"But with Via you can see they didnt do much with fixing the PCI problem from the KT133 to the KT266"

Thats the same architecture, just updated. K8 is a completly new chip.

[The PIT]

Well since Via tend to add to old designs rather than starting anew yes you can expect old design flaws and limitations to be passed down.
Via tend to first deny inbuilt flaws often saying Intel suffer from the same problems. Which is crap and they admit the problem and then deny it.
Wombat is right about the 686b bug they did lie about it. I know from bitter experiance about there lies. He's right about the 4 in 1's
I've used buggy Via chipsets from the vp3 days and drivers still had the same bugs with the kt133a. Amazing. At one time Via had on their website in mvp3 days use microsft drivers as these are more reliable. Even funnier they reckoned tape drives were new devices even when they've been standard backup devices for years on servers.
Also Funky-d-viafan look at all the work George Beese has done to make many Via motherboards workable. Via is even suspected of copying some of his work.

[Wombat]

Originally posted by funky-d-munky

Well SiS used to make some crappy MB's. Intel made 256kb L2 400bus P4's, Matrox made the G400 ect.. ect..
When companies design a completely new architecture it is guesswork who will be the best.

It's not guesswork, it's evaluation by outside parties. VIA's own tool is not an outside party. As for other the products of other companies, the only "bad to good" story there is the SiS motherboards. And you'll find that here we gave them quite a trial by fire. After months of evaluation <I>having the actual product in hand</I> some of us gave them the thumbs up and bought in. So SiS had to prove it to us, as VIA will have to.

[Wombat]

Originally posted by funky-d-munky
"But with Via you can see they didnt do much with fixing the PCI problem from the KT133 to the KT266"

Thats the same architecture, just updated. K8 is a completly new chip.

So was MVP3 to the K7 series. As was all their P4 chipsets.

When has VIA produced a stellar performer, ever? Much less on a brand new architecture...

Even if they do, I'll still give the credit to AMD. The AMD750 chipsets were kickass, but AMD only did them to start the market. They were pretty pissed off when other Athlon chipset companies blew it, and they had to rush the 760 chipset to market. I bet AMD will hand VIA a golden egg just to make sure that they have somewhere for the Opterons to run on.

[The PIT]

The biggest pity was that AMD didn't continue in the motherboard market. If they did they would have given Intel and even bigger headache. Sadly they left it too Via and allowed Intel to recover.
Most analyis reckon the Operton is make or break for AMD.

[funky-d-munky]

"Well since Via tend to add to old designs rather than starting anew yes you can expect old design flaws and limitations to be passed down."
Ya good unbiased argument against a completely new architecture.

"I bet AMD will hand VIA a golden egg just to make sure that they have somewhere for the Opterons to run on."
All the better. Will you still bash them?

When has VIA produced a stellar performer, ever? Much less on a brand new architecture..."
Well name any company other than Intel who is more then 1 generation deep into a good chipset?
funky

[funky-d-munky]

Anyone have anything to say on the topic of this thread.? Getting into the pros and cons of some of the new K8 chipsets?
funky

[The PIT]

Funky I'm going on past reputation. I went back to Via to see if they had improved and the answer was a big fat 0.
Sis had some good chipsets but have now gone sadly quiet on that front.
As to the orginal subject I would prefer AMD too release the test programme. That would be more reliable than a test that would be programmed to put any competitor such as SIS or Nvidea in the worst light if you get my drift.

[Wombat]

Originally posted by funky-d-munky
Anyone have anything to say on the topic of this thread.? Getting into the pros and cons of some of the new K8 chipsets?
funky

The topic of this thread is VIA PR and VIA trying to make themselves look good by creating rumors that other brands are "cheating."

The only posts off-topic are yours.

[funky-d-munky]

Thanks for the insight Wombat. I'll see ya in the playground at 3 o'clock.

"The topic of this thread is VIA PR and VIA trying to make themselves look good by creating rumors that other brands are "cheating.""
If the benchmarking software is bogus, it will be well known very quickly. My theory is that if they are going to put up a benchmark like that, front and center, there must be some problems with their competitors chipsets, that they want to exploit.
Again my question is does anyone know which of these new K8 chipsets VIA is targeting? Are they justified? Who is the early leader for this chipset, and why?
You know real questions that have nothing to do with K7 boards.
So lets keep this thread stricktly K8 MB related. It is my thread after all.
funky

[The PIT]

I reckon we've got a Via sales baby rep here you know.