SiS 748, 745, or nforce2?

[Wombat]

Originally posted by Kurt
see, the MSI 745 Ultra is NOT budget when you make an apple-apple comparison.

the ECS is budget, it goes for 30 EUR. The MSI is NOT budget, it goes for 55 EUR. One is about twice the price of the other.

That's just a matter of demand. The ECS was $60 when the MSI was $65.

[GT98]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
My A7S333 is extremely stable (never seen a blue screen of death after purchasing ~1yr, although it lacks a bit of features oh well.

I managed to kill mine

Oh well I got a MSI 745 to replace it

[cjolley]

Originally posted by GT98
I managed to kill mine
...

I have one too.
Never had any problems with it, but never OCed it either.
How did yours die?
chuck

[Kurt]

Originally posted by Wombat
That's just a matter of demand. The ECS was $60 when the MSI was $65.

board revisions.

you never wonder how ECS can sell them for 30 while MSi not? it's not all marketing...

[Gurm]

ECS and board revisions. There's a mutually exclusive duo.

- Gurm

[Wombat]

Originally posted by Kurt
board revisions.

you never wonder how ECS can sell them for 30 while MSi not? it's not all marketing...

No, it's not marketing, it's basic economics. The MSI is a better, more tweakable board. The ECS was manufactured in much larger quantities. So, not only has ECS's price/unit gone down over time, but MSI has not been manufacturing boards. So, the supply is much tighter for the MSI.

[Kurt]

Originally posted by Gurm
ECS and board revisions. There's a mutually exclusive duo.

- Gurm

What's the rev of the latest K7S5A?

[Kurt]

Originally posted by Wombat
No, it's not marketing, it's basic economics. The MSI is a better, more tweakable board. The ECS was manufactured in much larger quantities. So, not only has ECS's price/unit gone down over time, but MSI has not been manufacturing boards. So, the supply is much tighter for the MSI.

Yes, but I think you're forgetting the whole B.O.M. thingy there...it's not all demand vs offer. Sure ECS is making more SIS boards, but I doubt they can cut 30 EUR on a board just by getting a better deal on components (all things being equal). They cut corners on about everything. That's what makes it a budget board...

[RC Agent]

Originally posted by Gurm
I'm seriously considering the ASROCK with SATA and RAID for a whopping $54!

- Gurm

What's stopping you? I got mine a few weeks ago when it was $59 . Anyways, I managed to put together the bare minimum(case, cpu, heatsink, mobo, and memory, video card) last night and fired it up. It powered on and
posted, so I was happy. Will try and install an OS on it today.

[Wombat]

Originally posted by Kurt
Yes, but I think you're forgetting the whole B.O.M. thingy there...it's not all demand vs offer. Sure ECS is making more SIS boards, but I doubt they can cut 30 EUR on a board just by getting a better deal on components (all things being equal). They cut corners on about everything. That's what makes it a budget board...

Then why was it $60 when the MSI was $65? Was it budget then too?
It's not only components, but also fixed costs. Whether you sell 10 boards or a billion, it still costs the same to design it, test it, negotiate deployment, license the technology, etc, etc.

[GT98]

Originally posted by cjolley
I have one too.
Never had any problems with it, but never OCed it either.
How did yours die?
chuck

I killed my ASUS A7S333 by screwing up the BIOS flash some how...first time I've ever done that and before Y2K I did hundreds of BIOS updates with out a single failure

[Kurt]

Originally posted by Wombat
Then why was it $60 when the MSI was $65? Was it budget then too?
It's not only components, but also fixed costs. Whether you sell 10 boards or a billion, it still costs the same to design it, test it, negotiate deployment, license the technology, etc, etc.

Was it high end? Has it _ever_ been anything _but_ budget?

What changed between rev 1.0 and rev 5.0?

Ever noticed that the K7S5A and the 745_Ultra do not use the same chipset?

Did you notice how nobody was making boards on SIS 735 before them?

That's ECS method: buy a million chipsets that are out of date and make cheap boards. (all discounters do the same in fact).

Same method for the old Durons they bought from AMD ans sold back soldered on their mainboards as Pro1200+ CPUs (now Pro2000+).

[Wombat]

Get your facts straight, because they're horribly skewed? Nobody touched the 735 because SiS made it, and they'd been making poor products before that. ECS made them because they're the same damn company - follow the ownership holdings.

[Admiral]

The ECS equivalent is the K7S6A (SIS 745).
Leadtek touched the SIS 735, my brother (still) has one in his system. It was in the early stage while they were testing the market along with Via KT266 boards, untill they went nVidia and nobody finds it weird anymore that Leadtek makes motherboards.

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by Gurm
ECS and board revisions. There's a mutually exclusive duo.

- Gurm

Not so. There have been 3 revisions of the K7S5A ending with the current Pro model which is version 5.

Dr. Mordrid