The IT industry is shifting away from Micro$oft

[cjolley]

Originally posted by MultimediaMan
...Oh, and BTW I hate vi. It is vile.

Why don't you use MS edlin? It's newer.
chuck

[GT98]

Originally posted by TransformX

Give a Wankel rotary engine to a mechanic with 20 years of piston engine experience and he wouldn't want to touch this fancy-shmancy shit.

Well only problem with this is there's only one Auto manufacture and only one car on the planet with a Rotary Engine...a Mazada RX-8. A good ole engine with pistons still out performs it.

[DukeP]

Originally posted by GT98
Well only problem with this is there's only one Auto manufacture and only one car on the planet with a Rotary Engine...a Mazada RX-8. A good ole engine with pistons still out performs it.

Yes, well, yes..
But its not nearly as beautifull..

~~DukeP~~

[MultimediaMan]

We can use ~any~ unix text editor we want at work, as long as it is vi.

[cjolley]

Originally posted by MultimediaMan
We can use ~any~ unix text editor we want at work, as long as it is vi.

I had to take two semesters of COBOL while getting my programming degree.
No log in from home, just a terminal at school with vi on it.
Wordy is how I would describe those programs. I can sympathize.
chuck

[MultimediaMan]

I've looked at some of the COBOL code our programmers write.... you understate the problem of using vi in such a manner.

Some programmers "like" it. Some actors also "like" prop food (i.e. what we see passing for "Ice Cream" in film and movies in reality is Mashed Potatoes, "Whiskey" is diluted flat soda pop, with styrofoam "ice cubes").

Both are people of the strange and weirdest sort.

I'd kill for WinSCP at work.

[leech]

I just use Emacs

As far as the issues with "Joe Average" using linux. Try Xandros. That has the EASIEST install I've ever seen, and it's smooth, fast and simple as hell to use and get work done in. No playing around. At least that's for Desktop Usage. Joe Average doesn't need to use scripts or odd things. Oh and as far as installing commercial games and such, it's extremely easy with the Loki installer. I always try to look at using Linux from the desktop users perspective. And it's looking extremely nice. Granted it can be a royal pain if you have hardware that isn't supported. But that's for the system builder to worry about. The "Joe Average" as everyone is rating against... doesn't have to worry about what hardware he is running. Mainly doesn't even have to worry about the OS itself. Just the applications. As long as the applications themselves do what he wants done, then it doesn't matter if he runs windows or linux or BeOS. Hell, if he had all his functions fulfilled with it, he could use Atari DOS 2.5 (god, that was a hideous beast. Even for text based OS's...)

Leech

[DukeP]

Leech, You cant possibly be that old...


Had my share of Atari machines, am actually running Calamus for my dtp work, using the inbuilt atari emulator (or magic pc, at times).



~~DukeP~~

[leech]

I am that old.. Calamus... what an excellent program. In fact, I am very much looking to get Pagestream for Linux. Just haven't had the money.

Tried using Calamus under Aranym? http://aranym.sourceforge.net/ That's exactly the sort of thing it was made for.

I still have quite a few Atari Machines. An 800 XL (my original first computer I ever had ), a 130XE, 65XEG, 600XL (I think I still have this one, I'd have to look.) Quite a few floppy drives, an even the old 810 drive that sounded like the three stooges when it formatted. Nyuch Nyuch Nyuch. Then for the ST's.... I have a 1040ST, a Mega STe, and an Atari TT030.

I remember when I bought my Mega STe 2 more MB of ram, bringing it up to a whopping 4MB! Then I created a 2MB ramdisk and played Ultima 6 out of RAM. NOW THAT WAS FAST LOADING!!!!!

Leech

[DukeP]

Ohh.. The memories.

I had the first Ataris STE in my home country - complete with 2mb of ram AND Calamus 1.09N - the black and white edition. Booted calamus of one disk, had all my fonts and dokuments on the other. Worked every darn time. Shesh.

Btw, Calamus is still being developed and updated. Its better than ever. You can download a pc demo from http://calamus.net/us/
Try it.

~~DukeP~~

PS: Ok, You ARE that old.

[Gurm]

This article is so full of crap it's a wonder it doesn't have a brown background with corn-colored text.

EVERY company I've worked for has considered Linux... and then when the reality of it has sunk in, has avoided it like the plague.

Not everyone insists on upgrading every time MS releases software, and I've never gotten any pressure to do so from anyone at Redmond. In fact, I've never gotten anything from them other than helpfulness - FOR FREE, despite the claims that it would cost $25 per incident. *shrug*

You can call me a MS evangelist if you want. I just go with what WORKS. And right now, for 99.9% of the users out there, Linux does NOT "work".

- Gurm

[Greebe]

Gurm you really crack me up... you have a tad more than one year experience with Linux under your belt from the home front perspective, nothing more and only hang with MS cronies who fill you head with anti anything other than MS babble and yet claim you know it all.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you never cease to amaze me

[leech]

For once I'm with Greebe here. Granted Linux won't fit right for all purposes. But let's take for example where I work. Please note that I am NOT the tech for this company. They run everything on either Windows 2000, or Windows XP. My boss was checking her email one day, and one by one AS SHE WATCHED her email disappeared. Why? Probably because Exchange messed up. Sounds like a pretty nasty issue to me. If the techs there were smart, they'd probably stick Win98SE on the desktops, and then slap linux on the servers. But that's IF they were smart...

Or as I see it, with recent developments in Gnome, they could just as easily slap linux with Gnome on the desktops as well. Though there are 1 or two programs they use (namely the Jantek software that they use for the timeclocks) that wouldn't work under linux. So that's simple to fix. Have ONE computer there that runs the time clock software (and at least that would keep all the timeclocks synched, which they don't have right now. The time difference on a few of them is up to 2-3 minutes.)

Most of the Companies that Byock has worked at lately have a mix between Windows/Linux/FreeBSD. And that's probably the way it should be. At least for the smart companies.

Leech

[Gurm]

Originally posted by Greebe
Gurm you really crack me up... you have a tad more than one year experience with Linux under your belt from the home front perspective, nothing more and only hang with MS cronies who fill you head with anti anything other than MS babble and yet claim you know it all.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you never cease to amaze me

You know, sometimes you piss me off.

I have substantially more than one year of Linux experience. It's all with OLD Linux, to be sure, but there was a time when I was a paid *nix admin, and half a dozen of the boxes were Linux. It sucked then, and it sucks now.

Additionally, I spent YEARS as a SunOS/Solarix/Ultrix admin.

And you know what? I don't need ANY of that experience to tell me that Linux is ABSURDLY INAPPROPRIATE for anyone who needs things fixed quickly and easily. Period. End of story.

You LOVE to assume that you know things about me, don't you?

- Gurm

[Gurm]

And I've never said that Linux doesn't have its place.

The problem is that SOOOO many companies nowadays have downsized their staffs to the point where they have ONE tech for every 100-200 employees. That one person CANNOT spend longer than 15 minutes fixing a problem. My last job I was the ONLY PC tech. We had 200 computers at the main location, and 4 machines at each of 25 remote sites. Without Microsoft SMS I would have been UTTERLY screwed.

The problem with Linux is that a single problem can EASILY become a day-long "looking stuff up on the Internet and trying to get unhelpful people to stop laughing at you and give you the esoteric information you need" event.

So I would argue that I'd rather have a dozen 10-minute problems, or even a dozen 30-minute problems... than a SINGLE "God it took two days to figure out why your machine suddenly refused to talk to the rest of the network" issue.

- Gurm