nVidia 6800.... Which one?

[leech]

Originally posted by Byock
WTF?? 2D?? You were complaining about settings in 3D... Uh.. yeah...

I think you need to stop smoking things, and clear your head a little.

The thing I was complaining about... if you'd read it jackass, is that when you try to set the quality settings for the 3D, the 2D display gets BORKED! So that WOULD BE 2D that is borked!

Leech

[leech]

Originally posted by Byock
My guess would be Asus, and everyother OEM making FX5200...

And I need to borrow a brain? *laughs*

Again, use google, it does tell you EXACTLY what the 5200 supports.

P.S. Didn't you say countless times you would never own an NV card??

Nope, never said I wouldn't own a nVidia card. Best card for the job. Isn't that what you yourself said. Since nVidia is the only one who supports linux worth a damn, it's currently the best one for the job.

And my point about what the FX5200 supports is that nVidia's own site doesn't have their page up for it. Everything else would be just hearsay, no? Then again, Matrox's site said that VS2.0 was in the hardware of the Parhelia....

Face it, the graphics card industry blows. Not much choice, especially if you want to use Linux or FreeBSD.

Yeah you need to borrow a brain and stop lying to yourself. Lie to your friends all you want, but stop lying to yourself.... and you should know what THAT means....part of it means stop thinking with your nether regions....

Leech

[leech]

Originally posted by Marshmallowman
5200 is a dx9 card...except that the performance in dx9 is laughable. A dx9 card that is not usable in dx9 ?

I would call it effectively a dx8.1 card...unless you like slide shows

Exactly, and how this would compare to a glitch in the 2D display drivers of an ATI Radeon 9200 card is beyond me. I'm not talking performance, or anything like that. I'm saying that when you change a driver setting from Normal Quality to Best Quality the desktop will screw up. This is BEFORE going into ANY 3D app... you can't go into any 3D app, at least without either navigating with the keyboard, or blind luck with the mouse, or with rebooting the computer.

Leech

[Byock]

Funny, I do that all the time on my 9200, and have never seen this happen.

but then again, I know how to work a PC.

I agree, you should get a FX card. After all you have said about NV, would be the ultimate irony.

[leech]

Since the only thing I've ever said about nVidia is that their Image Quality on a 2D display sucks nuts, and that's why I'd never buy one... but guess what, they finally got a brain and improved the image quality. I believe it was K6III that recently upgraded his Parhelia for a FX5900 and said that the image difference wasn't very noticeable.

It was on YOUR system that I did that on, and which I am basing this on... it did it with TWO driver versions, and did it three times. You must be the one smoking something.

Yeah, you know how to work a PC... how come you had to ask me how to change the default shell in OpenBSD (which by the way, I knew the answer too, and yet have never so much as tried OpenBSD)

Leech

[leech]

You can't quite understand still what I'm saying is the problem with the drivers. It's not in any particular game. It's under the ATI control panel. If you recall at that network party where we were playing Raven Shield and I was saying there was some major color banding on the snow level. Well, your excuse was that it's a 9200... well, I went into the ATI Control Panel and tried to set the settings in the Direct3D to Quality, from Normal, and that's where the mouse cursor flipped out, and I had to reboot. Then I downloaded the newest Catalyst drivers (the ones you had on the system were at least 3 versions behind) and tried the same thing, and the exact same thing happened. The mouse cursur disappeared except for the top part of the screen, in which it became an utter mess of colored pixels. But that's not even the POINT of any of this.. I wouldn't get an ATI card regardless at this point due to their lack of decent linux drivers. And for the record, I HAVE set up ATI linux drivers before, and they're even more difficult than the Parhelia ones!

Since the nVidia drivers actually have support for IA32 and X86-64, then I think I'd rather go with nVidia. I wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole before, due their obscenely bad image quality at higher resolution desktops. THAT is the reason I ripped on them before, and the fact that most people bought them because they could hit that all important 200 FPS on Quake3, and I really could care less about that. As long as the games run smooth (which most of them run well enough on 3 screens on the Parhelia, for those that support it.) but the LINUX support SUCKS. If Matrox would release a good, stable linux driver that would work with all the OpenGL apps/Games I threw at it and with the 2.6.x kernel, and not crash X everytime that I wanted to go back into Windows... I would NOT buy a new video card for quite some time. I can live without the few DX9 only games that don't work quite right on the Parhelia. But that linux support is what I'm looking for, and that nVidia is the only company right now that supports it decently is a sad thing, but basically forces me to buy that. Otherwise, you're right, I wouldn't buy an nVidia card. I'd be perfectly content with my Parhelia (I love the three screens SO much!)

Oh and for the record, you say that I don't know how to use a PC... at least, unlike yourself, I KNOW how to use a PC with more than one screen! I love Triple-Head!

Leech

[Byock]

I never had a use for more than 2 screens. But then, triple head would prob make me violently ill. FPS make me that way with 1 head!

[leech]

Just because it gives me headaches after a while..... well, mostly due to me being a bit too close to the screens... I need a huge room to put them on the wall... or a plasma TV or something

Actually for doing video editing or web design or any other type of professional work that needs a lot of screen real estate, triple-head is a godsend.. Try doing 3D Studio Max on Triple-Head and you'll know.... well, not that I myself do that... but that is a good example.

Leech

[Byock]

At work, I could see that, with 20 server logged in to Terminal Service, 3 screens do help a ton.

[leech]

Wouldn't that be a huge security risk to have terminal services running on that many systems at once? Well, at least it could be...I've always preferred just doing admin through straight ssh... but then, it's a bit more difficult to do that through windows

Leech

[Byock]

No, not really. You have to be on a specific segment on the local lan, and be in the correct IP address range to even get through the firewall to reach the login. Then of course, you need a valid username and password.

[Kooldino]

Holy forum drama, batman.

So anyway, as it sits right now, AGP is controlled by the "northbridge" controller, right?

What will PCI-X be controlled by? The "southbridge"? Won't this slow down RAM access??

[leech]

Originally posted by Byock
No, not really. You have to be on a specific segment on the local lan, and be in the correct IP address range to even get through the firewall to reach the login. Then of course, you need a valid username and password.

That was my point, local lan... Since you use OpenBSD as your firewall to the outside world, that would be pretty secure. I'm just saying that terminal services itself isn't very secure (neither is VNC, unless you use TightVNC, which is supposed to be a lot more secure) Getting a valid username/password wouldn't be too difficult, with some time and a packet sniffer.... Still, don't see the point in having that many terminal services opened... now on the otherhand, if you were using X, and had a rack of servers dishing out services using the X protocol and just had dumb terminals at everyone's station, that could be useful. Well, maybe not where you work, but in a lot of places (like where I work) it would save a TON on costs....

Leech

[Byock]

Usually, I don't. I am setting up all these servers, and since Windows takes so stinking long, I go to one, then the next, when I get to the end, the first one is finished.

[Kooldino]

Bump - can anyone answer my above ?