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  • #16
    IIRC, the U2 family driver is different than the UW family. You need to install the appropriate drivers for the card to work.

    I’m trying to think about what I did when I went from a UW card to a U2W card many moons ago. I don’t remember if I didn’t just reinstall windows from scratch. If you do want to reinstall windows, you need to use the util on adaptec’s site to make a driver disk and feed Windows the appropriate driver at the first stage of the install when you can manually specify drivers. You have to press one of the F keys, don’t remember which one, when the installer first starts to load in order to activate the manual driver install functionality.

    If you’re trying to keep your existing windows, here’s a procedure to try:
    -install both controllers into the PC. (you might need to temporarily remove other cards or disable some onboard devices to free up the IRQs to do this).
    -boot with your drives connected to the old controller.
    -let Windows detect your new controller and install the appropriate drivers.
    -reboot, this time moving the drives to the new controller.
    -if this works, shutdown, remove the old controller and put things back the way they’re supposed to be, then boot again and cross your fingers that it’s all good.

    I hope this works for you

    As for geometries, I've read that you cannot always go from one brand SCSI controller to another because of differences in the way they actually write to the drive. In fact, you might even need to low level format a drive that was previously used with another brand controller. I've not had any such problems when dealing with different families of Adaptec controllers, although I’ve never used the not Wide varieties. Good luck.
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    • #17
      As far as I can remember, UW drives were the last type to offer "active termination", i.e., termination of by the last drive physically on the cable (starting from the controller to the end).

      U2W/LVD did not do that anymore. Termination is achieved by always having a terminator at the end of the U2W cable (which I think is called pasive termination and that could be done with UW and older setups as well.

      So I *think* attaching a LVD drive to an UW controller will indeed neccesitate an additional terminator (which could be done by using an UW drive as terminator :evil:

      I have no experience however with 80-pin stuff.
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      • #18
        The extra pins are for power. These kinds of drives are usually used in hotswap RAID enclosures, at least, that when I've used them.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Umfriend
          As far as I can remember, UW drives were the last type to offer "active termination", i.e., termination of by the last drive physically on the cable (starting from the controller to the end).

          U2W/LVD did not do that anymore. Termination is achieved by always having a terminator at the end of the U2W cable (which I think is called pasive termination and that could be done with UW and older setups as well.

          So I *think* attaching a LVD drive to an UW controller will indeed neccesitate an additional terminator (which could be done by using an UW drive as terminator :evil:

          I have no experience however with 80-pin stuff.
          There's also the need for different cables. LVD uses very different cables than SE mode operation. In fact, I think that most LVD cables come with a terminator at the end of the cable by default (which may or may not be removable). You can't use a SE drive as terminator as Umf suggested, because it can't function at LVD signalling levels.

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          • #20
            Uhm, well, if the adapter is SE, say UW, than you can, as everything would work in SE mode anyway.

            Same if you would attach a SE and a LVD device to the same channel on a LVD adapter (Umf wlaks on thin ice here).

            Yes, most, if not all, LVD (and HVD as well I think) cables come with the terminator (which is what I was trying to say).
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            • #21
              if you run everything in SE mode, there's no need to get a new controller in the first place which supports the higher transfer rates of LVD modes like Ultra2 80 MBps

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              • #22
                LOL!

                Brian do you see what you've done?! This is going to end up in the temp forum!

                Just go out and buy a better controller!

                dZeus has a very good point about cables too. Had me lots of problems with first gen LVD cables. Make sure to use good cables.

                For casual use, SCSI has just become too cumbersome compared to SATA these days...
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                • #23
                  There is a simple solution here somewhere, I am having trouble understanding some of the statements made.

                  All the drives can run in LVD mode (according to the boot-up sequence) or SE mode depending on what card connector I use.

                  Win2K has native drivers for Adaptec AHA-2940U2/U2W PCI SCSI Controller. Shouldn't it self-detect the adapter on boot-up (when I change the adapter with no other change) and install the drivers and just carry on with no glitch? This is one facet of this problem I don't understand, and makes me think this is a termination issue.

                  I installed Win2K with the AHA-2940 U2/U2W controller and the controller was correctly identified by W2K and the installation went on, but the computer locked up often and made the installation impossible. Termination problem? Driver problem?
                  Last edited by Brian R.; 3 August 2004, 10:42.

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                  • #24
                    Sorry, I thought Brian was to set it up with an UW card....

                    I still have the 2940U2W card in my system. Works like a charm. Installing XP was not issue at all, nor transferring my Quantum 10K's UW drives from the ASUS controller at the time.

                    Have to say, I have ALWAYS found SCSI to be easier then ATA/SATA stuff. It's just to darn expensive for me.

                    Brian, AFAIK, you must allow the adapter to install it's own BIOS. This is an option you can disable in the adapter itself and if that is diabled, then XP won't be able to use it until drivers are loaded, which it can't as they are on the SCSI drive.

                    I think it is CTRL+A during bios post or something to get into the SCSI card BIOS.

                    Now that I realise you are running U2W indeed, yes, you DO need LVD cables with a terminator, preferable attached to it at manufacturing it (which is ussually the case).
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                    • #25
                      IIRC, W2K native drivers were poor and caused stability problems. Adaptec's updated drivers were much better. SCCI bios should auto load when it detects drives. It will mention this in the post message. Don't override this default behaviour in the SCSI bios settings.
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                      • #26
                        If you decide to buy one of those drives check the SCA-adapters. Most SCA-adapters have solder joints on the back that can short out with the drives. Use some duct tape to protect them from the metal of the drive case.
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                        Second: Dual PIII 1GHz | 21" Monitor | G200MMS + Quadro 2 Pro | 512MB ECC SDRAM | SCSI
                        Third: Apple G4 450Mhz | 21" Monitor | Radeon 8500 | 1,5Gb SDRAM | SCSI

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                        • #27
                          Good idea!

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                          • #28
                            The solution is unclear, but the problem is solved. I bought a new cable with a built-in terminator and installed the U2W card and left the drives connected to the old SCSI card. Loaded the drivers in Windows (automatically), then restarted the computer with the drives connected to the U2W controller.

                            Phew!

                            (I bet it was both the terminator and the lack of drivers)

                            Thank you everyone for the insight
                            Last edited by Brian R.; 3 August 2004, 17:31.

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                            • #29
                              Update

                              Bought the 73 GB U320 drive. Works fine.

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