Firefox Problem

[az]

Cold, any link where I could try out your software to see if it works in Opera?

AZ

[GT98]

Originally posted by jms
You can start Profile Manager by doing the following:

1) Make sure Firefox isn't running
2) Start - Run
3) firefox.exe -profilemanager


Jan

Thanks Jan...back in busniess!

[COLD]

Cold, any link where I could try out your software to see if it works in Opera?

AZ

Sorry but it is not possible...

This is a commercial (aviation) application only accessible to our customers (on a restricted/controlled site) who own/purchase our gas turbine engines (the ones that have a seal showing an eagle and the words 'dependable engines').

When I will have a chance, next week, I will install Opera on one of my development/test PC and see how it will 'behave' with our application...

COLD

[az]

Great, thanks

BTW: If Opera 7.60 final is not out be then, use the latest preview of Opera 7.60 which is available from here at the moment.

AZ

[Mcollector]

I've noticed that FF 1.0PR seems better/faster than 1.0. I've found 1.0 occasionally stops talking to the web, and I have to restart FF. I don't recall 1.0PR (or 1.01PR) doing that, but it could be my ISP that is causing problems lately. (My ISP has outsourced support, and they are complete morons.) I generally leave Java turned off in FF, so I don't care too much if it has Java problems.

slightly OT: I use FF for most things as my main browser. I revert to IE when some sites I want to do something with don't work in FF, like TrendMicro's Housecall web-based AV scan.

[Mcollector]

Originally posted by az
BTW: If Opera 7.60 final is not out be then, use the latest preview of Opera 7.60 which is available from here at the moment.

If you can report later after a period of use that O 7.60 does not crash or lock up occasionally the way O 7.5 and below do, I may give it a try. I've no patience with s/w that locks up, or crashes my machine periodically, no matter how cool.

[az]

For some people Opera crashes quite often, for others not at all. I'm somewhere in between, but that's really no problem for me as Opera never takes the machine down with it and reopens all windows that were open before the crash when I start it again.

AZ

[VJ]

Originally posted by az
For some people Opera crashes quite often, for others not at all. I'm somewhere in between, but that's really no problem for me as Opera never takes the machine down with it and reopens all windows that were open before the crash when I start it again.

Occasionally (in the rare event it crashes), I do loose all my windows. But I usually have the same ones open, and I have set them in 1 bookmark folder. The option 'open all windows' brings them all back...

But as you say, it hasn't brought down Windows.


Jörg

[dZeus]

I get crashes quite regularly in opera. It's my main annoyance after the error message popups.

[chaoliang]

Why not IE? It's fast, it never crashes and it shows everything correctly. Well, it does come from MS. But we use Windows anyway.

[az]

Originally posted by chaoliang
It's fast

Ahahahaha!

it never crashes

Riiight. And it never takes windows with it.

and it shows everything correctly.

No. But most sites are coded around the countless errors in IE, circumventing them or even using them to get the desired display, so it looks as if IE displays stuff correctly (and it may even display stuff as desired), but in reality, it violates so many standards and so much stuff is broken in it that some of the nicest things we could have on the web today just don't work with 90% of browsers (IE). One very popular example are alpha-blended PNGs.

Well, it does come from MS. But we use Windows anyway.

I have no problem with MS per se. They're a company, they want to make money, and they're very good at it. Fair enough for me. But IE is insecure, slow, buggy and not at all power user friendly. It is a bare-bones browser which I would recommend to nebies if it weren't for the security and standards violation issues (which can only get better if IE's market share shrinks. Let's hope IE7 gets a new rendering engine; I think it will.)

AZ

[chaoliang]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by az
[B]Ahahahaha!

- I would correct myself to: It's fast enough.



Riiight. And it never takes windows with it.

- Still, no crash is a good thing.



No. But most sites are coded around the countless errors in IE, circumventing them or even using them to get the desired display, so it looks as if IE displays stuff correctly (and it may even display stuff as desired), but in reality, it violates so many standards and so much stuff is broken in it that some of the nicest things we could have on the web today just don't work with 90% of browsers (IE). One very popular example are alpha-blended PNGs.

- I would say that the background are not interesting for normal users. What I want is that the content of the web pages are shown nicely and completely. I just want to get the information I need quickly without being afraid of missing anything. I guess even power users want to obtain the full information of a page, even if its codes are junks because of IE.



I have no problem with MS per se. They're a company, they want to make money, and they're very good at it. Fair enough for me. But IE is insecure, slow, buggy and not at all power user friendly. It is a bare-bones browser which I would recommend to nebies if it weren't for the security and standards violation issues (which can only get better if IE's market share shrinks. Let's hope IE7 gets a new rendering engine; I think it will.)

- I also hope that Opera could bring out a browser-only version and that FF grows up as soon as possible.

[COLD]

AZ

Apart from the fact that Opera 7.60 (BETA) will not uninstall (missing install.log file, yes I known it is a BETA version...) on one of my dev/test machines, that Opera is missing an automatic configuration scripting (mandatory here in order to pass our firewall), an option available in Firefox, and that it messed up with IE (need to repair IE because it could no longer connect to any of our Intranet URLs (but was still able to connect to the Internet)......... Opera ran flawlessly our application (not a single crash)

COLD

[az]

Thank you It would be nice to add Opera to your list of supported Browsers, then

Apart from me not knowing anything about automatic configuration scripting, it is strange that it should have messed up with IE, as it touches no files other than the ones in its directory, and in its settings directory (you can find out about all its directories by clicking help -> about, if you want to remove the version that won't uninstall manually).

In this version a new installer was used for the first time... seems like it still has some flaws

Sorry I can't help you with that IE issue, I can't think of any way Opera could have messed with that.

[The PIT]

The Revenge of Opera for MS preventing it loading msn sites properly???