Hell freezing over? Apple in talks with Intel

[Technoid]

Whenever anyone starts arguing for the mac platform being more stable or better just because it’s a mac I’m always reminded of this little Movie

And before you all start to argue against the movie read the authors page about it

[Kurt]

Thats why, while I am programming a rather huge management application for windows, I said to boss, I would prefer to be doing my code on a mac.
ibook to take home, G5 under the desk.
I am more productive on my G5, a bucks a buck, You can't argue with accounting.

Riiight....

And that's not the point I was bringing, but thank you for you input nevertheless.

You're answering like a fanboy. Please try to understand the point I'm bringing:

Professionals actually using Apple Macs, discovering they can lower their budget by buying clones. Just like in the Power Computing days.

Apple didn't win sales over Wintels, they lost some to the Mac cloners. Then they killed the Mac clone market.

[Sasq]

ok, going to answer in simple sentences.

using intel chip != wintel platform. there is more to a pc then just the cpu.
what clones?

you point was cost, the alienware comment of yours was just silly, we both know that.

my point, your whining about something you know jack about.

[schmosef]

Whenever anyone starts arguing for the mac platform being more stable or better just because it’s a mac I’m always reminded of this little Movie

And before you all start to argue against the movie read the authors page about it

[Jessterw]

Whenever anyone starts arguing for the mac platform being more stable or better just because it’s a mac I’m always reminded of this little Movie

And before you all start to argue against the movie read the authors page about it

Love that movie

And I wasn't arguing that the Mac is better because it's a Mac, I was arguing that for me it has always been a more stable platform. There is a difference. I'm always referring to Macs and OS X as a platform now, not the mess it was initially (when I would have missed the stability of OS 7).


*Chuckle* Sasq a fanboy... amusing thing to call someone who wouldn't touch a Mac until relatively recently

[Jessterw]

Here's a nice little casual analysis:

http://daringfireball.net/2005/06/see_you_intel

[Kurt]

@Sasq: I see we still don't have you onboard. The Alienware comment is not silly, it's an analogy. I could have compared Apple to Power Computing. If they were still around, you probably wouldn't have an Apple Mac under your desk, since it would have been more expensive.

There are actually more than one argument going on.

One was that OS X was dog slow in a server environment, and hence ppl were better off using another OS than Apple's on their servers.

Two: in the even that Apple used Intel chips and made their hardware standard (using off-the shelf parts), then they would loose market shares to clones (like what happened before they bought Power Computing - the Mac market hadn't grown much and they were basically all fighting for the same sales).

Three: corollary to two, OS X on x86 would face stiff competition (on its own hardware) from more OSes than now, with the possibility that these OSes would run circles around it and hence discredit it as a valid pro OS.

[The PIT]

Love that movie

And I wasn't arguing that the Mac is better because it's a Mac, I was arguing that for me it has always been a more stable platform. There is a difference. I'm always referring to Macs and OS X as a platform now, not the mess it was initially (when I would have missed the stability of OS 7).

Can remember going to a job sorting out a pc in a room full of Macs. Got a lot of friendy abuse. Ah PC always crashing ha ha. Anyway fixed the machine and while I was doing one of the abusers suddenly went quite. His err Mac had crashed.

I wouldn't worry to much about Apple switching to Intel. They've got to have a very good reason to do it. Pretty sure it won't mean the end of Apple.

[Jessterw]

I've seen the zealotry from all sides of the OS spectrum. Every OS and computing platform has its share of issues, and it really comes down the personal preference and using the best tool for the job. Statistically, PC's crash more than Macs, but that doesn't mean Macs don't crash, to think otherwise is just foolish. My comparisons of Windows and OS X are based on rather crash-free usage of both; though, I have had more issues with Windows across the board than on any Mac OS. I know people who have had the opposite experience when they first switch to a Mac (and that first experience can be souring).

I agree about the Intel rumours. I just can't see Apple switching to a pure x86 platform. I can see Intel producing a PPC-similar chipset that would enable them to possibly pickup more than just Apple as a customer, given that there are now several devices that use PPC. I think Apple's primary concern is avoiding another Motorola situation, as well as possibly finding a source for a faster series of mobile chips. As I've said before, Jobs is not going to knowingly create an environment where Apple ends up where it was before.

[Dr Mordrid]

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050605-013311-9410r.htm

Dr. Mordrid

[schmosef]

this thread reminds me of oh so many arguements I had in high school with other members of the "computer club".

jebus! what are you guys arguing about? Apple's viability? whether there's a niche market for apple or not? whether Apple is even a professional platform? are you joking?

give it a rest until something is made official.

[Jessterw]

Gee I don't know... think we can wait one whole day?

Just because we've diverged greatly doesn't mean a discussion on Apple and a possible move to a x86 platform or to Intel as a supplier of chips isn't valid. If you're not interested, then ignore it.

Though I admit, it's not nearly as worthy a discussion as that of KvH's sexual orientation.

[Wombat]

Whenever anyone starts arguing for the mac platform being more stable or better just because it’s a mac I’m always reminded of this little Movie

And before you all start to argue against the movie read the authors page about it

And that movie was made when? Right, when Windows users were using 98 and ME. Like ME users have ANYTHING to boast about compared to Macs. And as Windows has made significant improvements in the years since then, so has Mac.

[Jessterw]

To be fair, the movie was made shortly after OS X (10.0) was released, so likely sometime after March of 2001. Windows 2000 was released in February of the previous year for reference. The point is correct, OS X has improved significantly since then as has Windows.

[Kurt]

Though I admit, it's not nearly as worthy a discussion as that of KvH's sexual orientation.

LOL