Hell freezing over? Apple in talks with Intel

[Wombat]

oh c'mon, but a "workstation class uber-cpu" selling three times less than similarly clocked amd or pentium?

Clocking has nothing to do with performance. The reason AMD has to label my 2GHz CPU a "3000+" is because of people like you that thinks that clock speeds can be compared across processors.

[Technoid]

Very true. MS better hope that Longhorn delivers or they may find themselves in a world of hurt. Well, maybe not that bad, but a quick loss in market share among casual users and people fed up with security problems in Windows.

That would be sweet, if it forced MS to actually deliver what they promise

[mmp121]

Apparently it will be standard enough for Windows to run on it.

So are you saying one would go buy an x86 Mac in 2007 with OS X on it and be able to install and hopefully run windows on the same machine (provided Longhorn makes it out by then). Maybe even dual-boot using 2 different HDD's? That would be NICE.

[Jessterw]

All Apple has said is that they won't prevent anyone from being able to install Windows on their Intel-based systems. Doesn't mean Windows will, by default, be able to run on it.

[GT98]

Very true. MS better hope that Longhorn delivers or they may find themselves in a world of hurt. Well, maybe not that bad, but a quick loss in market share among casual users and people fed up with security problems in Windows.

Or Apple might find themselfs in the very same boat since OS X would be come a more popluar target since its market share "should" increase.

[The PIT]

Very true. MS better hope that Longhorn delivers or they may find themselves in a world of hurt. Well, maybe not that bad, but a quick loss in market share among casual users and people fed up with security problems in Windows.

Do we need Longhorn??

OSX will be harder to crack security wise but then the weakest link is the average user. A few would happily put in the root password if prompted to do so. At least Windoze is fairly easy to clean up. I bet a Mac with a stolen then changed root password wouldn't be.

[Elie]

I don't know if this has been discussed but would the Apple OS install in any Intel based system?

Or will they have specific hardware the OS searches for prior to installation? Hmmmm interesting


Regards,
Elie

[Jessterw]

I don't know if this has been discussed but would the Apple OS install in any Intel based system?

Or will they have specific hardware the OS searches for prior to installation? Hmmmm interesting

According to Apple there will be no version of OS X released that will be installable on any platform outside of Apple's own PowerPC and Intel-based systems. So that's a no

As an aside, Apple has made no qualms about Windows being able to run on an Intel-based Mac. I dare say, it's likely that will happen long before OS X is running on a Dell.

[Elie]

wouldn't it be in Apple's best interest to sell OS X or XI to everyone with a PC be it Mac or Clone, at that point they will be no different than Microsoft I guess.

[Jessterw]

No, because Apple is still very much a hardware company, or better put, an experience company. The Apple brand is interwoven with the ideal that they provide the hardware and software for a sounder, more complete computing experience. Some of it's marketing BS, much more of it is not.

OS X in and of itself makes Apple very little money. Sure they make a decent amount off of current Mac users upgrading to a new release, but even that is paltry compared to their hardware sales. OS X is vital to Apple's strategy, but it is not as vital in its role as an income generating product.

So while OS X on any x86 platform would generate more sales of the OS, Apple would not likely gain sales and market penetration for their traditional hardware. They likely wouldn't lose much either, but the goal is to gain more market share for the entirety of Apple's product line.

If Apple ever gains a strong foothold, this all may change.

[Nowhere]

Clocking has nothing to do with performance. The reason AMD has to label my 2GHz CPU a "3000+" is because of people like you that thinks that clock speeds can be compared across processors.

Of course I know that, it's just that...ah, heck, you know very well what I've meant

[Nowhere]

So are you saying one would go buy an x86 Mac in 2007 with OS X on it and be able to install and hopefully run windows on the same machine (provided Longhorn makes it out by then). Maybe even dual-boot using 2 different HDD's? That would be NICE.

Even nicer would be if CPUs in those new Macs were of the new kind that allow to use Xen without the need to modify OSes...

[Umfriend]

Just brainstorming here. I assume Apple will limit OSX to their own machines and that that would help them keep it stable and predictable. Given a fixed reference platform, would MS use that platform as reference for Winblows development? ("If you want windows to run stable, buy a Mac!" )

[Nowhere]

Just brainstorming here. I assume Apple will limit OSX to their own machines and that that would help them keep it stable and predictable. Given a fixed reference platform, would MS use that platform as reference for Winblows development? ("If you want windows to run stable, buy a Mac!" )

I was also thinking about "point of reference" for emulator autors, demoscene, etc...(games even?)

[schmosef]

Is your Windows XP installation really so unstable? Come on, man; the days of GPFs are long behind us!

As I recall, Mac had it's own random stability error: "Stack collision with heap!" Now that's a helpful error message if I ever read one.