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**Dilitante1** · 5 September 2005, 05:46

heat or memory issues? Your BSODs will give a program and memory address effected by the issue. You should document the mem addresses involved, this will show if a pattern or not.

**Ninju** · 5 September 2005, 05:53

Maybe I should of mentioned that...

Heat Issue?
Well, apparently my CPU and System Temps are very good. They used to never go above about 40 degrees. Then, when I got my new Graphics card my Sys Temp and CPU Temp both went up to around 42 degrees which is still pretty good and 45 degrees max when playing games and things.

And about the Mem addresses, they are as varied as the rebooting - but, I'll make sure by taking down the addresses for the next few times or so that it happens.

Also, one more note, I did a thing called Mem test that my friend gave me. It came up with NO erros and I left it for about 3 hours or more, I'm not sure, it was a while ago now.

**Nowhere** · 5 September 2005, 05:59

Did your machine ever run on different system installation that this "Windows 2000 Pro Update (updated from Windows 98SE)"? You might want to check how it behaves on clean win2k install... (also upgrading your machine to AMD64 without reinstalling the system, which is possible since you've got upgraded 2k from 98, might be problematic)

edit: You could also run Memtest86+ for a bit longer, whole night for example.

**Ninju** · 5 September 2005, 06:16

I ran Windows 98SE for years. I got the Windows 2000 Pro update way less than a year ago but I can't give you an accurate time or even a good estimate :-/

And, after updating the system with all my new hardware, I re-formatted and installed Windows 98SE. Shortly after I recieved the Update from a friend and updated it.

So, you would suggest re-formatting and not updating to Win 2000?

**Nowhere** · 5 September 2005, 07:07

No, I was suggesting to directly install 2000, without the intermediate step of installing 98SE. However, seeing that you've made fresh install after buying new harware (even thought with the 98SE step), I'd say it's unlikelly that it's the reson of problems (OTOH - who knows...)

And I'd say that not updating to win2k wouldn't be very good in case of your machine - 98SE is a bit ancient OS that can't take full advantage of your hardware.

So I'd now suggest running Memtest86+ for a night.
Also, what brand your PSU is? Wattage alone doesn't make a good PSU...

And question, just to make sure: the situation with rebooting was like that from the beginning?

**Ninju** · 5 September 2005, 07:47

I'm a little busy right now so I will check the brand of the PSU in about an hour or so for you.

It's a Windows 2000 Pro UPDATE, I was under the impression that an earlier Windows OS would need to be installed to update from.

Running MemTest for a night is a 100% can't do, sorry. My parents will not allow it, which, is a shame. The memory is/was also brand new though, so, I don't think that is the problem, although, it might be.

The situation with the rebooting was ever since I built my computer. I used some components of my old machine, such as HD, DVD Drive and CD-RW. And I used one of the old IDE connectors since I only had one new one I believe.

**Nowhere** · 5 September 2005, 08:00

I would be surpirsed if you couldn't install clean win2k, after all this whole "updade" thing applies mostly to licensing issues, not technical ones/limitations to installing win2k clean (but I might be wrong, I'm not very familiar with upgrading windows, most of the time I tried to avoid it).

I still urge to do thorough testing with memtest (I assume your parents are familiar with the problem, perhaps it even impacts them if they work on the machine - you can always say that it might be necessary if they want to resolve issues). And the thing that ram was new doesn't mean it wasn't without defects. Moreover, you didn't mention the brand of RAM...if it's noname, probability of some problems is higher.

**Ali** · 5 September 2005, 08:18

You can install W2K from a clean install, but during install it will ask you to insert the W98 disk to make sure you own it. I would suggest doing this.

**Ninju** · 5 September 2005, 08:34

Just so your aware, it's my personal computer, my parents barely know how to work a computer let alone use it for work. My mother already complains about it using up a lot of electricity, apart from that, she's paranoid about fires and unplugs all electricals at night and that is why I can't do it overnight, also, she would say that I could do it through the day instead, although, by this, she'd mean a few hours, anymore and she'd have a fit over how long it's been turned on :-/

**Nuno** · 5 September 2005, 08:37

http://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v2414.exe

ItÂ´s old, but ItÂ´ll catch even a small unstability on your system. Run it and see if it fails - It should.
I also have that problem until I moved my SB audigy to another PCI slot, as it really didnÂ´t liked to share IRQ with USB, go figure. So check IRQ sharing also.

**Ninju** · 5 September 2005, 08:49

Originally posted by Nuno

http://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v2414.exe

ItÂ´s old, but ItÂ´ll catch even a small unstability on your system. Run it and see if it fails - It should.
I also have that problem until I moved my SB audigy to another PCI slot, as it really didnÂ´t liked to share IRQ with USB, go figure. So check IRQ sharing also.

You'll have to dumb that down for me a little, I'm not that great with all this technicality and stuff.

For e.g. SB Audigy, and IRQ. Don't know what they are :-/

**Ninju** · 5 September 2005, 08:54

Originally posted by Nowhere

No, I was suggesting to directly install 2000, without the intermediate step of installing 98SE. However, seeing that you've made fresh install after buying new harware (even thought with the 98SE step), I'd say it's unlikelly that it's the reson of problems (OTOH - who knows...)

And I'd say that not updating to win2k wouldn't be very good in case of your machine - 98SE is a bit ancient OS that can't take full advantage of your hardware.

So I'd now suggest running Memtest86+ for a night.
Also, what brand your PSU is? Wattage alone doesn't make a good PSU...

And question, just to make sure: the situation with rebooting was like that from the beginning?

PSU Brand: "Win Power" - it's the only sort of name I can find on it so I guess that's what brand it is.

And I believe my memory is made by Corsair. I'm 89% sure it is, but hey, I could be wrong.

Also, I didn't reformat my computer after installing the new Hardware for a few days..

**degrub** · 5 September 2005, 08:57

a couple things to check - do you have a utility to read the voltages on the MB ? SHould have com ewith the MB drivers. They should be within 10% of spec. What other cards on on the PCI bus ?

On the win2k side - are you fully updated on win2k ? how about the MB chipset drivers ? the video card drivers ?

i had a simlar problem several times. Once it was a bad PCI card, another system it was a corrupted dirver - fixed only by a clean install of the OS.

BTW, the win2k update only looks for a file called ntldr.bat on the disk it installs to if i remember correctly ( i loaned my win2k secrets book out , so i can't verify that right now). it can be an empty file in the root (C:\) directory.

**degrub** · 5 September 2005, 09:07

Look on page E-2-24 of your manual under PCI bus - there is a table of how the interrrupts (IRQs) are set up.

Look on control panel, system, device manager and see if there are any yellow or red flags by any device. If there are, you need to start there and get those resolved.

let mw know what you find.

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