Vista: ouch & double-ouch

[GT98]

I'm not planning on getting Vista till the end of the year when a decent $300 DX10 Card is out thats faster or as fast as my Xfire X1950's...otherwise I'll stick with XP.

[Gurm]

I'll switch once there are games that don't run on XP... and aren't cracked the instant they're released. Wondering why Halo2 is delayed? Because the "Vista only" code is too easily circumvented. They're trying to beef it up.

[Nowhere]

Fellow-up to my previous post...

Just had na idea about a way to "implement" the one feature of Vista I'd really like (using flashdisks to speed up system) on older Windows and/or other operating systems...
Wouldn't putting your swap file on permanently attached flashdisk work similar? (perhaps not as fast...but close)
One problem I see - the feature in Vista is optimised for flash usage, ordinary swap isn't (meaning shorter life of the drive?)
What do you think about it?

[DGhost]

*shrug* you all know my stance on this...

All I have to say is that when XP came out, everyone was talking about the same issues with it versus Win2k. It was bloated, it had all sorts of extra features, it wasn't a nessicary upgrade, broken application compatability, lack of OpenGL support, etc etc. I was quite amused when I read this line in the [H]ardOCP ramblings...

I have used every version of Windows ever marketed, so I am confident that I know which Windows versions suck and which versions do not suck. Windows 3.1 = not suck. Windows 95 = not suck too much. Every version of Windows between 95 and XP = suck. Windows XP = not suck.

The *only* reason that XP received any positive reviews was the simple fact that 90% of the Wintel market was convinced that Win98 was the best platform on the face of the planet, that Windows ME was a hunk of crap (it was) and that it was nessicary from Microsoft to finally bury the 9x line of code. Coming from 9x XP was quite a huge improvement. For those in the business world, the switch from 2k to XP was... less dramatic.

I remember being shocked when I saw government laptops running XP 2.5 years after it's release. They were new and quite a nice improvement.

That being said... they were also being rolled out with 1GB of ram. Most enterprise level business have been using it as a standard for quite a long time. Hell, I have not had a computer with less than 1GB since 2003. With most modern applications it was almost a nessicary upgrade in order to get decent performance out of a relatively high end machine.

Of course, I could mention running 1GB of ram back in 2001. Not for long, but it was definately nice.

XP was never meant to last 5 years. It did remarkably well considering how much people complained about it's steep hardware requirements at the time. I am willing to bet that in 3 or 4 years, when the next MS operating system is released, people will be saying the same things about it as well.

*shrug*

[GT98]

I'll switch once there are games that don't run on XP... and aren't cracked the instant they're released. Wondering why Halo2 is delayed? Because the "Vista only" code is too easily circumvented. They're trying to beef it up.

Um that would be pretty easy to do...DX10 is a Vista only program, and I'd assume Halo2 would need that to run

[NetSnake]

I won't be anywhere around Vista for at least 6-8 months and that is if by that time they'll add OpenGL support and fix the first round of glitches and hardware compatibility issues ....

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/0...-uk/index.html

[Admiral]

Tried the RTM for a few days, dual boot, it takes some time to navigate through the options and tweak them to what I have in XP. Only tried a few games, some ran fine, others didn't.
After that I changed hardware (mobo, cpu - AMD to Intel) and only reinstalled XP.

In the future I'll give it another try, also dual boot (to get more used to)... I would like to see:

- the Vista version of Power Toys (if it isn't already out);
- what Creative does with that Alchemist Open AL program of theirs to have EAX under Vista;
- better and wider driver support;
- OpenGL and D3D compatibility and performance in games close to XP level (no more than 5% performance hit);
- all the apps I use in XP to be updated to work under Vista...

I want pretty much to have what I have in XP and I agree that it will take time and I'm willing to wait. And then the DX10 games will come and SP1, maybe it will take a year untill we all get comfy with Vista ?

edit: seems there's already an update out for legacy games compatibility... yeah, I know, most of them are Microsoft games. Some other updates suposedly not on the windows update server.

[The PIT]

I guess it needs a lot of the eye candy turning off. You'll be forced to upgrade when that app you need or game only runs under Vista.

XP when it came out wasn't that good. It improved a lot after sp1.