home network

[Kruzin]

I'd be terribly remis in my duties as a Matrox geek if I didn't point out that Matrox also makes networking stuff. And their liquidation center at their on-line store has PILES os NICs, hubs, and switches on sale... http://shop.matrox.com/usa/products/liquidation.asp

[cjolley]

Here is alternative hardware. Nothing like having too many options!
http://www.linksys.com/scripts/featu...p?part=befsr41

Also, You may not need NAT. It is very likely that if you set up both computers as DHCP clients they will both be given ip addresses by your cable co. I know from friends who have cable here that Cheap SOB (er, I mean Cox Cable) works that way. I don't think the cable co advertises it or likes it, but that is the way they have it set up.

chuck


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[ageedoy]

beezer: yup, ive had my cable modem since october. since youre from san jose, im guessing youre toward the south end of milpitas. i live near the boarder of fremont. thing that really bites though, is that dsl isnt available here yet.

ive decided to try the phoneline connection, since only the upstairs computer will be connected through that and doesnt need that much speed. the other computer will be connected through rj45. im going to see if it works w/o nat32. whether it works or not, ill check out the trial version of nat32. thanks for all your help.

[Mark F]

cjolley- Jammrock already brought that one up.

I've had one on order since first half of Jan. As long as I'm still getting stalled by my cable co, about going full-time two-way, I guess it's not terrible, but...

Here's a link to a new review of it : http://www.tech-review.com/review.pl?id=66
No slowdowns like ICS has!!!

I beleave it's a better product than the one Agreedoy posted a link for. But, for him it might be a better solution, as he seems set on useing a mixed RJ45/telephon-wire system.

Agreedoy- Bite the bullit, run Cat5e cable once and be done with it. You should be happier in the long run. Instead of an electrician you can also look at home security installers and cable co installers. When you see then working go talk to then and see if they are interested in doing some work 'on-the-side', should be much cheaper. Also the home security guys are amoung the best at fishing through walls, and hideing their work. They have a lot of experience at it, and people tend to be verry unhappy about security system wireing hanging exposed in their homes.

Mark F.


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[ageedoy]

alrighty. ive got my two computers and cable modem hooked up to a hub. the computer that was originally hooked to the cable modem still works on the cable modem, but the other computer wont. im pretty new to networking, so uh.. i wouldnt know where to begin from here.

[paulcs]

Is your network working at all? Can you access data from machine to machine? What Internet sharing software are you using?

If your network isn't working, here's a link to a quick and dirty course on setting up a low security home network in Windows:

http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/windowsnet/

Now, I use Wingate for Internet sharing and I have a DSL connection. (A lot of people prefer Nat32.) In any case, Wingate requires that you have two NIC's in your "server": one that communicates with your ISP (and uses the "real" IP address your ISP supplied) and a second that connects to your home network. You might be facing different issues. I don't know how you have your network or Internet sharing set up.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[ageedoy]

ive got everything wired up. i need to know how i set up windows so that i can share files between machines. after that im gonna try using either wingate, nat32, or sygate30 to let the 2nd computer share the cable modem.

[paul]

ageedoy, if you've got the win98se, run the wizard. It sniffs for the internet service and offers up any network cards for the home network. Then it makes a floppy for the sharing pc's setup.
I've got 3 pc's off main pc and never had a slowdown. Also that 1mbps phone system is fine, you're lucky if you get that much from your isp.

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[ageedoy]

ive got the two computers talking to each other now. i can access files through network neighborhood, but i cant get the computers to ping each other. i tried using the win98se internet connection sharing, but after setting it up, my cable modem wouldnt work until i uninstalled the ics.

[Greebe]

Paul, look here if you think it's better. He supposedly using DSL so he could very well be limited by using phone wiring! Also by doing so he's limited by the speed of such a network for use between machines... which I'll add the a 100mbps connection is as fast as a normal (5400rpm) ide HD!

Ken maybe you should take a look at the above link and see what I mean about ICS (dislike).

[Mark F]

Check the setting of you cable connected NIC's TCP/IP : Gateway, DNS addresses(configuration). Set the second PC's the same and you sould be able to access the cable modem across the hub. Make sure to use a cross over cable or a patch cable (what you are useing now) to the uplink port. It's not a very safe way to hook things up but it's supposed to work.

My Linksys routers on it's way now, and I have an appointment to finally be switched over to a two way system next week (about time). I'm going for the easy way out.

Mark F.

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[ageedoy]

wow, how much learning ive had to do this weekend. yea, i ended up taking out my scsi card and putting a 2nd ethernet card in pc#1 and linking that to the hub. i successfully got the two computers to do file/ printer sharing. then i tried nat32 and got intimidated, so i went with my friends suggestion to use sygate (which he got to work). that flopped. then i went with win98se's ics, which peculiarly rendered me to access the internet at all from any machine. when looking in winipcfg, it didnt even recognize the ethernet card attached to the cable modem. i uninstalled win98se's ics and it worked fine again. i had also tried wingate with no luck. now i think im going to try nat32 again. could something possibly be wrong with the tcp/ ip settings? ive checked many home lan set up guides, and have not gotten any of their solutions to work.

[paul]

Greebe - Exactly which post did Ageedoy mention DSL? It was Paulcs that brought it up. Also, Ageedoy wants to do this for the Internet, not sharing on his pc's.

Ageedoy - The reason you couldn't ping the pc's is because most likely your pc's were talking using Netbeui or IPX/SPX (which needs ZERO configuration to work).

When you set up the ICS and it's working, the server pc with the sharing NIC takes on 192.168.0.1.
After you use the floppy ICS made on the guest pc, they will be dynamically assigned starting with 192.168.0.2. To see their IP address, goto start/run and type winipcfg.

If you change the NIC that's serving the internet, it'll have to re-establish the connection when you boot.

Note: ICS has several settings depending on the service it's sharing. These settings are inf's that would have to be installed.
MS's web site has more info on this. DHCP and other settings may need to be changed.

Lastly, if you goto an @home newsgroup, I'm sure others can help. (comp.dcom.modems.cable) is one such group

[DentyCracker]

Up until recently I connected my second machine (in my room) to the Internet using either Win98 ICS when the modem machine was in '98 or Win2k ICS when in win2k. Being a cheap SOB I connected the ethernet cards in the machines with a length of cat5 cable (no hub) I don't know what happened to the modem machine but ICS is fuxxored. Both uner 98 and 2k. I'm now reduced to using PCAnyWhere from within the comfy confines of my room when I want to go on the internet. Thank God for version 9.2 which runs fine on 2k. Actually I'm really just too lazy to reinstall 98 and 2k on that machine. I know 98 is fuxxored when Nat32 don't work.

[Greebe]

All that's needed is pure TCP/IP.

OK Paul, if not DSL then cable modem... I was tired at the time. The total cost difference between Fast Ethernet and wireless phoneline/powerline networking is negligible considering the price/performance/benefits associated.

Netbeui, ipx/spx protocols eat resources, hog bandwidth, are old and virtually obsolete.

I'm not here to ruffle anyones feathers, but will be straightup about what works, what doesn't and what's best.