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**paulcs** · 16 April 2000, 22:00

Can't speak for Rags, but I know you'll get great performance from your motherboard with the Crucial.

I don't know if you're going to make it to 150 MHz, however. The Mushkin might be better for that. I can't get to 140 MHz. I don't know if it's the RAM, the CPU, or the P3V4X.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

**cancer** · 16 April 2000, 23:00

thanks paul, i'm pretty damn tempted by this ram & its cheaper than the mushkin stuff. what scores did you get in sisoft sandra2000 mem benchmark? i get 275 m/s in cpu/memory bandwidth & 311 m/s fpu/memory bandwidth. this is with a few apps running in the background if that makes a difference...

cheers.

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Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

**Mark F** · 16 April 2000, 23:14

You wrote "at the moment i'm running my p3 550@733 100 fsb but would prefer to run it at 133 mimium".

My question is how are you running P3-550 at 733MHz if not at 133FSB?

Mark F.

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**cancer** · 17 April 2000, 05:03

Mark

For lack of a better way of explaining it, i'll plagiarise someone who can...

Thanks to the Apollo Pro 133A's flexible memory configuration, you can use your old PC100 SDRAM with a newer 133 MHz FSB CPU. Alternatively, you can run your memory at 133 MHz, while the CPU plugs along with a 100 MHz FSB. This is all configured in the Award BIOS, where the memory can be set to run at the FSB speed or FSB +/- 33 MHz. On the P3V4X, it's the options are actually listed as 66, 100, 133, or Auto.

the article i got this from resides on the AnandTech Website i hope this answers your question. by the way you wouldn't happen to have any crucial pc133 sdram in your system rated at CL2?

cheers.

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Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

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**paulcs** · 17 April 2000, 07:12

I have a PIII 600E @ 800 MHz (6x133) and 256 MB RAM (the "7E" stuff ).

CPU/Memory Bandwidth: 384
FPU/Memory Bandwidth: 455

Once you get the CL2 rated PC133 RAM installed, manually set your CPU/Memory ratio to 1/1. Let SPD figure out your timings. (If you set your timings manually, for some odd reason, it slows things down.)

Important: shut down any hardware monitoring software you may have running, particularly that stupid Asus program, before you benchmark. If not, your scores will be unreliable and you will take a bit of a performance hit.

The Muskin stuff is more expensive. I'm happy to overclock my CPU to 800 MHz while my RAM and video card are at spec. The Crucial RAM is a very good performer at 133 MHz, and it's relatively cheap.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

**Manex** · 17 April 2000, 07:19

Cancer, I have the Crucial 7E memory. However, at the time I bought mine the spec page listed the speed as 7ns, not 7.5ns (a typo maybe?) Anyway, I'm currently running it at 140 MHz with no problems. I have had it up to 150 MHz, but my system was unstable. I'm guessing the instability was either the video card or hard drive, not the memory... Anyway, I'd recommend the Crucial sticks.

Cheers!

Eric

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**paulcs** · 17 April 2000, 08:04

It isn't Cancer's typo. I did a search on the part number, and got the same thing.

I don't know what's up. Cancer, you might want to call/email them and ask.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

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**cancer** · 17 April 2000, 10:48

a big thank-you to paul (once again..., i think you have replied to every query i've made since joining the murc team) & manex.

as you may know i've been busily researching the pc133 ram question (and bugging everyone for their input) i finally found a review on the topic on some of the big brands which i found quite useful. it basically reinforces just about everyone’s view of crucial ram especially micron (the memory module maker to which crucial is a division). the page belongs to...
bxboards
for those of you who are interested.

it seems that micron chips are the bench for stable/performance ram (used on crucial & corsair dimms), however according to them one came out on top, mushkin 'athlon' memory using samsung memory modules. their tests claim that the mushkin stuff is a little better on higher clock frequency on some boards (no testing on a asus p3v4x board though although they did include a via apollo 133 chipset in their tests).

my quest for finding the 'greatest pc133 ram on the planet' has almost come to a end and it looks to be price choice between crucial, corsair & mushkin.

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Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

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**cancer** · 17 April 2000, 11:04

oh bugger, i might have been a good idea to refresh the page while i was piss farting around. i just ordered 2 sticks of crucial cas2 ram.... oops i hope the 7.5ns thing isn't an issue. i decided on crucial because it was cheaper than mushkin & corsair didn't have much in the way of pc133 128 cas2 stuff...
i wonder how long it'll take to get down to oz? hope i haven't been duped! arrrrrh.

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Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

**Manex** · 17 April 2000, 11:49

I dug around my files and found the printout of the web-page when I ordered my RAM from Crucial. It says exactly what said earlier... 7ns. They may have a typo on their web page, as the 7E seems to indicate 7ns, whereas one would expect 75E for 7.5ns. But we all know companies don't behave logically, so there you have it. I don't think it'll be a problem either way...

Eric

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**Rags** · 17 April 2000, 16:34

I have tested that exact part number on my BF6 with coppermine 550, and I have succesfully hit 165 FSB.

Rags

**cancer** · 17 April 2000, 17:06

thanks for helping keep my paranoia to a minium. guess i won't know till the stuff arrives (when that'll be, who knows)
Rags i hope i have the same success/luck with my sticks (wonder how its going to translate in AU$). i wouldn't mind seeing what kind of results you had with sisoft sandra 2000 mem benchmark & the mem timings you used to achieve stability at that fsb.
cheers.

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Win98SE 4.10.2222A, DX7a.

**Rags** · 17 April 2000, 20:56

I had the memory timings at 3-3-3, SDRAM leadoff command set to 4. I did run Sandra 2000 and bench the memory, but I cannot remember off the top of my head where the numbers sat, but I do remember it was faster than the Athlon numbers that Sandra showed for reference.

Rags

**Mark F** · 17 April 2000, 21:37

Sorry, I have no benchmarks for you. But I've used Crucial 8E (PC100) 3-3-3 at 133, 7.5(PC133) 3-2-2 at 133 (rated 3-3-3), and 7E 2-2-2 at 133. I've been very happy with all the Micron/Crucial memory I've used (since Micron sold it directly in the days of the 486).

Oh so you running you memory at 100MHZ but the FSB at 133MHZ? OK

Mark F.

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OH NO, my retractable cup holder swallowed a DVD...
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Strange about the web site saying 7.5ns now, my sales printout shows 7ns. :-}

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