Need Suggestiong for BEST SS7

[MegaManX4]

That can't be. Everyone I know who is into computers, says that ALI Boards are totally crap. That is my experience and the experience from most of the users here in Germany.
Gurm: The Board you mentioned is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO old that i don't even know the revision of the VP3 Chipset on it.
Of course a state of the art Asus P5A does better, even performance wise.
And now it comes: I phoned some local computer Dealers about that. Here is what they have to say about ALI (shortened and translated into english):

K-Com says: ALI? Crap.
Syscom says: ALI? Crap, big crap.
Media Markt says: What is a chipset?
WEKO WEKO says: Don't bother me with that shit, DID YOU HERE ME? MY WIFE CHEATS ME! AND MY CHILDREN ARE TOTALLY CRAP!!
Anyway ALI is Crap too.
and so on.....

I can't understand anyone who "likes" ALI SS7 Chipsets. Every, and i mean every (like the holy "C't", german magazine says the same!

Maybe you have other experiences, but i don't have.

Mega

By the way, what is a "rat's patootie"?

[Gurm]

Rat, from the Latin Rattus: Any of a variety of medium-sized, tailed rodents.

Patootie, from the Latin Patootus: ASS

I'm not saying the ALI chipset is GOOD, just that the ASUS board is good. And don't go defending the VIA chipset, I'll just rip your arguments apart. I've done it before and I'll do it again.

Maybe I should elaborate: I'm more in favor of ALI settling for admitted mediocrity than I am of VIA claiming excellent performance and stability and never delivering either.

- Gurm

P.S. And I dunno the exact board name. It's similar to the one mentioned above. Epox's fairly recent SS7 offering.

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[This message has been edited by Gurm (edited 25 April 2000).]

[Himself]

Listen to Gurm, he's [/i]certified[/i].

[Taz]

Megamanx4,

Just read the posts on this board from people with VIA based boards, SS7, PIII & Athlon, with problems and say that you would recommend one! In fact one of the things mentioned about the KX133 chipset was it's much better than their previous ones i.e. it actually works Ok.

[MegaManX4]

So, I showed this toppic some friends, they can't stop laughing.
You should not compare Slot1 based Products with SS7 based products. The Slot 1 Chipsets from VIA are that bad because Intel isn't giving away patents from it's Slot1 technology. So VIA had to take another route.
On SS7 VIA had MUCH more time to make a good (MVP3) product. The other chips before it are total shitty.
And, why don't we hear bad things from ALI chipsets on SLOT 1 Mainboards? THERE AREN'T ANY!!
Ali announced a Chipset for Slot 1, and as "C't" says, it's total crap too.

And, do you say that Apollo Pro 133A is a bad chipset? Than go to Anandtech, Aceshardware, Tomshardware.... There you will see that they are up to date and running, and are stable and are fast and are cheap.
So, you better go with an i820 with RAMBUS.

[Taz]

I mentioned other platforms to illustrate whether VIA were regarded as a manafacturer of high quality chipsets. Judging by what I have read both here and elsewhere on the interent the answer is no.

With regards to the performance of the Apollo Pro 133A chipset here are some words from Anandtech's site....

"As a purely gaming solution, the Apollo Pro Plus 133A isn't what we hoped it would be. The AGP performance tests indicate that VIA's AGP 4X implementation is around 30% slower than Intel's AGP 4X implementation on the i820"

"We had hoped that the use of VC-SDRAM would clear up any performance issues in games with the Apollo Pro 133A, but, unfortunately, that has not the case. The performance improvement in games was minimal and it did not even raise the performance to beyond what the BX is already capable of achieving."

Is that what you mean by fast?

I would rather believe the word of independant people on a forum like this rather than magazines/hardware sites as they actually have to pay for the equipment they use and are therefore influenced by manafacturers.

[Greebe]

Mega(ass)ManX4, We in general pick apart the carcus the likes of Anandtech, Tomshardware and Aceshardware. So by using them as your reference you're proving what most of us already think of you.

[Helevitia]

Whoa! I go away and come back and hell has broken loose.

megaman, The Asus P5A IS the most stable trouble free board out there for SS7 owners. I speak from experience and I too am a certified tech. Woopty doo! Being a certifed tech doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. Experience is the best education. I've used my Asus P5A for probably close to 2 years now and have compared it to many of friends VIA based Mobo's and they have WAY more problems then I have ever seen. Just look through the threads on this forum and see the countless problems with via chipsets. So stop trying to throw the "i am a system-tech" crap at us and look around to what is really going on. My only comment that I made above was that the P5A is the most trouble-free.

Dave

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[Gurm]

MegaManX4:

I don't give a rat's patootie about some imaginary "throughput" number. And I'm also a certified tech.

I'd take a stable ALI board any day over these piece of GARBAGE Via boards that need to be patched 20 times and STILL have to disable sidebanding and DMA to work. Ok?

- Gurm

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[Gurm]

Can we all get over the certification thing? I was being funny, pointing out that half of us are certified (or certifiable, can't ever figure out which) and it doesn't MATTER since I know lots of idiots with certification.

My opinion still stands - VIA blows chunks (133A notwithstanding) and ALI blows chunks but admits it.

- Gurm

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[Dyre]

Lol!

What happened here!
I accually considered changing the topic because i saw best and ss7 in the same sentence. The reason im going for SS7, because he HAS everything else he needs... His board just died, thats all.

I havent decided yet, still need to do some shopping. Personaly those EPoX i set up run fine. Might be good baords. Thanx guys.

And calm down for the love of God!

[MegaManX4]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Greebe,

That's is a very unqualified reply. But I know that from you, and I know that I don't have to expect more from you.
I don't think that it isn't necessary to prove that the Apollo Pro 133 A is the only viable option for Slot 1, if you don't have the money for i820 plus Rambus or are not willing to overclock your BX Board beyond believe.
And, i never said "I'm a certified engineer", mostly because i have no certificate. But I have 6 Years experience in my job, Which is more worthy i think.
There are thousand people who agree with me that Via makes better chipsets as ALI.
It is clear that, if you buy a board for 100 Deutschmarks (nearly 50$), you can't expect much of it. One of our costumers for example, bought an Epox Board years ago (it was the MVP3-CM i think). He never had to upgrade the Bios, and he was usiing some sort of TNT2 Card.
Now here comes the problem with it. Most of you are Matrox owners (so am I), but there is also another world outthere, the NVIDIA Users. Has one of you ever installed a TNT or Geforce Card in an ALI Board? Did you? I did it, I put a TNT2 Ultra in an P5A and an G5AX (Both ALI bases), and i never got them working right. Greebe, spare your comment. It was not my fault. Both cards work fine in every VIA board, of course only proved with the very latest chipset and card drivers. On both Boards.

I don't bother what people think of me, I know I'm well reputated, and so does everyone who knows me. Can it be that some of you are biased towards ALI?
And don't say I am to VIA only, I love those Intel chipsets. They are the fastest on the market (only on Slot 1 of course), and I would love them more if they would produce a SlotA/SocketA chipset.

Ok, ready for flaming!

Mega

[The PIT]

AMD license Intel to build chipsets and boards for the Athlon. Chipzilla would have to be on the ropes for that to happen.
Why don't AMD bite the bullet and enter the motherboard arena.

[Gurm]

MegaMan:

You're not going to get much sympathy for your lousy-ass nVidia boards around here. Let's be realistic - nVidia boards suck ass on ALL platforms. It took over a year for VIA to patch their chipset enough to support nVidia boards. They STILL don't support ATI boards - all ATI driver sets come with a rewritten mini-GART to make VIA chipsets work.

All I'm saying is that ALI settled into a level of acceptable mediocrity, and it just WORKS now with a variety of hardware. At least the ASUS board does. I have yet to see a VIA board that just WORKS without hacking it.

And before Greebe goes off on me again, we're not talking about performance or value for dollars or any of that crap. Just "gee this board works as purchased".

- Gurm

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[MegaManX4]

Greebe Greebe Greebe, which 8088 did you overclock?
And as the Alpha Centauri administrator I will surely not get fired otu ouf our team. And now you started it: I think you, with your tiny little 1600+ WU's shouldn't bother. Man we only needed 3 months for 1600 WU's. No, I don't think this belongs in here.

So, must leave now, tomorrow we can continue that.

Mega

You started 16 years ago? Everyone knows that age isn't a term for intelligence, you prove it. You must be very old, above 30 years? Near death? No luck with women anymore? Getting fat and ugly?
But that's not an excuse for you behavior!