Network Installation problems

[Paddy]

Hello again!
Can somone spare a few mins to help me out.

I am trying to connect two PCs via an Intel PCI enet card and a Realtek ISA card.

Both computers can see themselves in the network neighbourhood, the link lights on the hub are ok, i have replaced the cables but to no avail....
er...
They are running the same services, clients and are on the same workgroup with the same protocols.

Device manager reports no errors..
I am sure that the drivers are correct.

The ISA card is getting on a bit, however it was working about 6mths ago.
Any ideas, because i am stumped.

Cheers for the help.

Paddy

[Helevitia]

Hmmm...? Maybe it's just me but I don't see where you mention the actual problem. You say they can see each other in Network neighborhood, so if that is the case, that means the physical connection, the datalink connection, and the network connection are OK. I'm suspecting that since you can see eachother in NN, then maybe you are not sharing the drive, folder, printer, etc..?

Oh wait! I get it, they cna see there own selves but they can't see eachother. And it only took me 8 times of reading it to understand that You don't mention which protocols you are using to talk to the other computer. Also, I remember reading twice that people have problems with Realtek cards. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help.

dave

[Kruzin]

As hele said, what protocols are you running
?
Try installing ipx/spx in addition to TCP/IP (only for the local LAN cards), and make sure you have set up IP addresses for TCP/IP...

[Chucky Cheese]

this may be simplistic...but do you have any folders with a "share" on them....something to share?

i'm not for sure but i think some one else had a problem with that same network card, do a search for realtech in the general hardware archives.

chucky

[Jorden]

And an extra hold on, Patrick: Are you trying to connect 2 PCs through a hub? Why? Only one PC needs to be server, the other can be client. And through a direct cable connection (using the twisted cable).

Jord.

[Plmr]

Ya dude You gotta have a "crossover cable" if yer not using a hub ..Im old fashon I like NETBUI but I think Im a fossle in that reguard..Also disable tcpip file sharing or yer open for buisness on the net...Good luck.
Matt

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[Greebe]

Using NetBUEI prevents those on the net from accessing your HD's from net access. IPX/SPX is not rarely ever used anymore (cept some games) On my system I have this setup for file and printer sharing on my local machines. TCPIP is used by them to smurf the net, play online games and message (ICQ) only. Using BID for a firewall all works great especially concidering that all I have is a single V.90 dialup

One of my machines (Athlon system) has a Realtek 8139 (el cheapo $10) 10/100 nic in it and that works fine.

[Paddy]

Sorry Guys,

I am using the hub because it was given to me.

I have IP, IPX and NETBUI installed

I cant ping the other machine

The hub says eveything is ok

Windows says the same, i just cant see the other machine.

The drives are shared, but even if they weren't i could still see the other machine ,just none of its resources.

Machines have valid IP ranges
192.168.10.1 and 192.168.10.2
on a subnet mask of 255.255.0.0

[Paddy]

On one machine i cant 'browse the network' in Win98 - sounds like a driver problem.

However in 2K its fine - i just cant see the other machine.

same protocol, same workgroup....

arrrrgh!

I spent 2 1/2 hours on the phone to my dad last night and he is completely stumped.

There must be something that i am forgetting.

btw,
On the hub there are 2 lights, hoever they are not labeled. The machine with the 100mbit card shows a link light on power on, and indeed on the card as well. However the other machine does not show a link light on the hub, but does on the card. I assume that the hub light referes to a 100mbit conection. There are no faulty LEDs or cables........

[birdy]

Paddy,

I'm not an expert in these things but if you have a 100 hub and a 100 card, is the other card also a 100? Is the hub a dual speed ie 10/100? If your realtek card is a 10 and your hub is 100 only then you won't see anything.

Being able to see only one computer in NN is evidence only that there is a network card installed, not neccesarily any connection.

Rename your workgroup on both PCs, make sure that the case is correct.

[Paddy]

The hub is 10/100
ISA is limited to 10mbit so the card should only run at that speed.

The fact that i can see my self in network neighbourhood suggests that the drivers are fine.

I cant find any problems.

Machine 1:
OS: Win 2K
Client: Ms Netwrks
Adaptor: Intel 100+/Pro management PCI NIC
Protocol: IP , NetBEUI
Services: File and print for MS Netwrks
Ip add: 192.168.10.1
Subnet: 255.255.0.0
Workgroup: 1
Name: Paddy


Machine 2:
OS: Win95
Client: Ms Netwrks
Adaptor: Realtek RTL8019AS ISA NIC
Protocol: IP , NetBEUI
Services: File and print for MS Netwrks
Ip add: 192.168.10.2
Subnet: 255.255.0.0
Workgroup: 1
Name: Andrea

No errors reported on either machine, they just cant see each other.

[Jorden]

Subnet Mask should be 255.255.255.0 on both machines !!
Try IP address: 192.168.1.1 and 1.2 for both machines.
Did you give the hub an IP address? (Doesn't it need one?)
Have you tried the network without the hub?

Try the following setup as well: The Server has the IP-address on the TCP/IP and Netbeui -> Adapter card only. Not on the outgoing TCP/IP.
Did you try setting the Client's Gateway address and DNS address to the Server's IP address? (192.168.10.1 or better yet 192.168.1.1)
Check that Sharing of files and printers is OFF in TCP/IP -> Adapter card Bindings, but enabled in the Netbeui -> Adapter card Bindings.

Do you use a host software for the Netbeui network? Or Windows98 only?

Jord.

[This message has been edited by Jorden (edited 15 July 2000).]

[RAB]

If you are using a Realtek ISA card, you might try a new PCI card instead. I have always had trouble running ISA and PCI NIC's together on the same network. I had the same problem with my old ISA NIC and it went away when I got a new $15 PCI card. I don't know why this is, but it worked for me.

Using a hub with two computers should work just fine. Its easier to use a crossover cable, but not necessary. In fact, a crossover cable is about $15 and not worth it if you already have a hub.

Another advantage of getting a new PCI NIC is that your network will run at 100 mbps. A 10 mbps network is OK for a home network until you try to move a big Ghost image from one computer to another or watching a DVD that's playing from a player on another machine.

One other thing I just noticed after writing this message. One machine is running Win95 and the other Win2k. The Win95 will never be able to read the Win2k machine if you are using different file systems on them. If your Win95 is a original version, it is using VFAT and can not see NTFS on a Win2k system. What file systems are you using?

RAB

[Jorden]

or watching a DVD that's playing from a player on another machine

Errrrm RAB, how do you do that? I've tried doing it and got a thread in MHW

Please, explain?

Jord.

[Paddy]

If I remove the IP protocol the machines still cant see each other.
Therefore there is not a problem with the addresses. I only installed it because not all protocols broadcast the computer name on the network, so i could use it to ping the ip addy.

You dont assign an IP address to a hub.

I cant use a PCI card in her machine (although i do have another one) because she doesn't have any slots!

RAB: I am pretty sure that the file system is irrelevant (you can connect to an NTFS server via the internet using a FAT32/FAT16 machine). Anyway i am not using NTFS because i have a dual boot enabled on a single partition.