Uh-oh. Creative has its wallet out and Aureal is just sitting there on the shelf.

[Pace]

Yea Rags - I got my numbers mixed up - ATi's error rate is 100 errors per line of code !

Seriously though - do you know of any figure like this? Is it 1 in a thousand? I'm not really a programmer but a friend or a site told me this when Win2k came out.

Paul.

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[Rags]

Really there isn't a rule. The types of bugs you are going to get in programming is due more to what type of programming you are doing. Simple programs that do simple tasks are much more different that say a device driver or an OS. (Good) programmers strive for zero bugs, of course errors and bugs happen, that is what SQA is for, to find this stuff before it goes to the extensive tests.

Rags

[lindberg]

I read a soundcard test in a computer magazine and the winner was aureal! They had one test where a person with a blindfold sat in the middle of four speakers and he was to point out where the sound came from, the crads with Aureal processors where the only cards where he could exactly point out where the sound came from!!!! Not SbLive or any ohter card!! And the Aureal cards had also the lowest signal to noice ratio! AND the Aureal cards where the only card where they didn't have any problem with installing drivers!!

I got tired of my Sb and inspired to buy a A3D card from the article, and so I did... And I only say: Wow! No IRQ conflicts or anything like when installing drivers for Sb, no, just click install and there it was. Impressive! And amazing sound, yes, I've never heard that good quality on anything coming out of my crap-monitorspeakers (atleast I used to think they where..)!

One thing I can't understand is why it's not going to good for Aureal. I mean, they have one heck of a soundcard and wellworking software! They have all they need to be a leader on the market. Well, I'll blame it on the microsoft-wannabe-everybody's-pain-in-the-ass-style creative.

I hope that A3D won't die in the hands of creative, because I'd really like to see a future for A3D. Creative aren't so creative as Aureal..

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[Mark F]

I hope that A3D won't die in the hands of creative, because I'd really like to see a future for A3D. Creative aren't so creative as Aureal

Yeah, I want my SQ3500! DAMN IT!!

Maybe we should all E-Mail/snail-mail the FCC and the Bankrupcy court about our feelings that if they accept and approve the CREATIVE offer/bid then it would stifle compatition and negatively impact (US) the consumer.

May not help; but it sure can't hurt!!

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[Himself]

Rags,

You should make that, programs to be solved with a well defined problem and implementation requirements lead to less bugs than ones where you actually have to create your own implemention from scratch and integrate it into the various flavours of Windows. Paint by numbers is always easy it's when you have to do your own sketches that you have to break out the eraser.

[Thundrchez]

LiveWare: 1 MB drivers + 100 MB bloat. That sounds like microsoft if you ask me.

Just give me the stinkin' drivers without any bloat, and let the sound card shine in games. Keep it simple.

I really like my Aureal based sound cards.

[Rags]

Himself, you just pretty much echoed what I was trying to get across. That and the fact that it's only laziness where people say "well, the rule is x number of bugs per y number of lines". This excuses sloppiness. I find that unacceptable, and most programmers I know find it unacceptable. I would like to think that people take more pride in their work than to say x mistakes are okay. Because in reality, you want x to be zero, if you give a shit.

Rags



[This message has been edited by Rags (edited 24 August 2000).]

[Himself]

Rags,

Yep, of course sometimes your code can have no errors at all in it and still be unstable when you deal with Windows. Your code not only has to be correct in itself, it has to be "behaviour" friendly.

The amount of errors per so many lines is silly, those kind of errors being talked about are the easiest to fix, it's just a matter of proof reading to spot them. I'd say it's more a matter of deadlines and project sizes than laziness though. Well laziness in proper design perhaps that could avoid some of it.

I agree that some coding styles do indicate laziness, or just convoluted thinking and bad habbits. Few people plan ahead and write for months down the road when they will have to revisit the code again, or even write with some taste in the choice of labels and organization. The art of it seems to be lost on some people.

*cough* well enough from me on that.

[Rags]

Yes, format is one of the lost arts when it comes to codes. Well formatted and commented code is always refreshing to see.

Rags

[DosFreak]

Strange...I have the Liveware 3 NT5 drivers right here and they are only 3mb.

[Mark F]

Depends on what you download.

Yes, just the drivers ARE available.

Mark F.

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