how's windows millenium?

[EdSki]

I had windows me installed since about to beta's ago. I think it is an improvement over win98se. It boots faster/shuts down faster. Is stable and fast. The big down side is it's incompatibility with a lot of internet software (winroute, black ice, etc.)
In the end I don't think the improvements are worth spending a lot of money on...


Jorden: All that ms removed is the option to boot in real mode. At the inside it's still a new windows 95 version. It still has 16 bit windows proggy's running in the same mem-space. But who cares about 16 bit prog's these days...It does run dos prog's in it's own memory space -btw- (command.com is just the shell)

Grtz,
Ed

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[Jorden]

True that it still installs the 16bit drivers, but it doesn't have the 16bit environment anymore, that's what I said. Without the 16bit drivers, a lot of old cards wouldn't work anyway, so everyone with ISA cards in there computer would be told in some way to upgrade to PCI only cards. Ofcourse even MS can't do this!

I would even bet that Win2k stores these 16bit drivers somewhere in memory. You can't change the world in one day...

Btw, I wonder: who runs WinME on the minimum 486DX-66 that they say it's capable to run at?

Jord.

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[Nuno]

I don´t have winME. But, acording the reviews I read, it´s no more stable than win98 was.
Win9x isn´t unstable because MS wanted to, or their coders are a bunch of crap. WinNT was always a good product. It´s because Win9x kernel allows direct hardware access and doesn´t have protected memory alocation. It´s not win9x that crashes, it´s mostly poorly written drivers or aplications.

IMHO, if I was upgrading the OS and wasn´t a adicted fps junkie, I would go win2k. Yes, it´s that good.

[Agent31]

Sorry Nuno, I have to disagree with the reviews you read, I think you'll find (as most people here seem to agree), that WinME is far more stable than previous 9x's.

I agree that Win2K is a good OS, but I would almost say that WinME gives it a good run for it's money as a general working OS, that's ignoring the gaming aspect...

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[Humus]

Nuno is partially right. The win9x kernel sux, it's too open to be stable. However, MS is still occupying all places in the hall of fame (perhaps hall of shame ...) of buggy software.
But I agree ME is a little more stable, they have mainly fixed win98 bugs, that's the big difference ... but as usual they have some new bug for us too. I've found that many time you get two dialogboxes popping up when you try to delete a file asking "Are you sure you want to delete .. bla bla". You press OK at the first and OK at the second and it throws you some error boxes too "File not found ..." ... well, there first one deleted it ... but why two boxes ??

[Brian R.]

Don't forget that often, people are comparing a new installation (WinME for example) with an old, used and abused version of Win98 that's been installed for a while. Many impressions of stability result from a new installation of an OS.

[Agent31]

Brian.R., you're spot on, and I am one of these people who format's pretty regularly to keep things running smoothly. I guess only time will tell how the average user will find WinME... but if you're looking for the high-end hardware-geek tweak-freak perspective, message boards like this are a good place to start!

there now, is that quotable? when was the last time we had a good quotes post hehe

[Brian R.]

I don't think it's quotable - too many hyphens.

[Digital_Hell_Native]

There two things which bug me about Win2K.. both are driver related (partly also a MS fault). First of all I have installed a Matrox G400 DH32 and a Marvel G200 in the same system! Well the G200 works fine in Win9x if I disable the G400. I just have to use drivers which support both cards (so i am stuck with 5.55 at the moment). But in Win2k ithe combination doesnt work this good. I can run both card parallel without any problems but if I make the G200 the primary card and disable the G400 via display properties the videotools don't work. Well, I see something of the video input but it is streched and corruptet.. ups that belongs into desktop video never mind..

The 2nd problem is the missing ac3 on my Live. Liveware for Win2k doesn't have this feature so i have to boot into Win9x to watch my movies in dts or dolby digital sourround. Hopefully the next Liveware planed for Octobre includes this feature.

If this 2 problems would be solved I will quote Bender: "Win9x, kiss my shiney little ass" (or something like that )

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[Werdna]

The way I always put it to my friends is if you're running Win98 don't go rushing into buying it thinking it'll be amazing, however there's no reason why you should try and buy win98 if you are buying a new pc and have no os. Similiarly if you can get a copy to 'evaluate' then why not use it. Not that I promote extended evalutaion of software products.
all of course IMHO

[Alfie]

You can get the ME from Microsoft.
Click on windows updates and start from there.
There offering a special deal(at least on the win98/se upgrade)Where they'll ship it to you so you get it the same day of it's release(free shipping)
If I recall the price is about $59.00.
They also offer the win95/98 upgrade for $109.00 and the full version for life time servitude

As far as the full version,you may be better off waiting 'til it hits the stores,but the upgrade special is a fairly decent deal
Ordered it,so I'll see.

[Agent31]

meanwhile those of us who work for MSDN subscribers and get to bash these things all the time can just sit back and gloat in the rather ordinary... what am I saying, I'm not going to gloat dammit, this is a mass market bug ridden rushed to the shelves 2nd rate OS from the world's biggest cash leech, why should we put up with it! oh the humanity!

btw, I'm going to keep dual-booting, I need to teach myself ASP and I want Win2K Srv so I can test my own stuff

[The Rock]

I'm surprised to hear so many people saying GOOD things about WinME. Everyone I know that's run it says it's an AWFUL piece of crap. Crash problems galore if you have a newer video card; hell, from what I hear, it doesn't matter what hardware you have, it's so bad. Never used it myself (ain't pullin me away from Win2k).

Bart

[Guyver]

I run the 3 latest WS OS's from Microsoft.

Win98SE for my Firewall (Black Ice Defender, Nat32+, 3 Network Adapters) - not much of anything else.
Win2K Pro WS - for my file/print server, Office software, e-mail, etc...
WinME for my gaming rig. Newest mobo, hard drives, Vid (G400Max), etc...

Win2K is a great OS, can run games (the best NT gaming platform to date), as well as shines for business oriented software.

WinME outpaces Win2K for gaming, period, irregardless of the hardware that I've thrown at it. BlackIce Defender as well as Nat32+ both have updated versions to "fix" (there wasn't anything broken, they just had to code for the different network implementation) the problems some had with them at first.

Win98SE - well, I had the thing just laying there, so - it worked (older hardware).

Guyver

[Jorden]

At least Dual-Head works without a flaw in WinME. Since Holly disassembled her PC, I got my second monitor back, and hooked it up. Worked right away.

Okay, back to playing MDK2 in full OGL mode

Jord.